http://forum.chasedream.com/post.asp?action=re&BoardID=13&replyID=2877557&ID=318066&star=2&reply=true
Q:
以下是引用iammad在2008-4-19 12:25:00的发言：
呵呵, LZ, 还没决定呢?
我看了楼主在BW forum上问问题了. 我觉得BW上的人都是特别执着于ranking的人, 偏执狂比较多.
我觉得还是去Emory吧. :)
A:
You guys can ask me on BW forum @"Chinese Ask David"
BW Business Schools Forum > For International Students > Chinese Ask David
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=75186
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[Career Explorer]MBA是否可以半工半读？
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=13&ID=320233&page=1
Q:
[求助]MBA是否可以半工半读？
在CD一直没发过帖，因为犹豫了很久到底该不该去USA读MBA，直到现在还是犹豫不决
读MBA两年算下来需要100W RMB，如果这100W在国内投资的话，可能两年就能收回成本并小赚一笔；但如果读MBA，特别是TOP20之后的学校，回国找个工作，可能要3-5年才能收回成本，加上读书的时间就是5-7年，因此我不太赞同花家里的钱去进行这项投资。
后来我通过朋友介绍，在VA找到一份工作，薪水能够付得起在美两年学习生活的费用，但是我不清楚MBA能否半工半读？
希望朋友们帮忙，谢谢！
P.S. 在Washington附近有哪些TOP50的商学院？
A:
normally it's the VISA issue
the government simply doesn't want foreigners to work
even you can find some part-time job,
the pay is normally $7 per hour
it doesn't help anyway
Q:
[求助]MBA是否可以半工半读？
在CD一直没发过帖，因为犹豫了很久到底该不该去USA读MBA，直到现在还是犹豫不决
读MBA两年算下来需要100W RMB，如果这100W在国内投资的话，可能两年就能收回成本并小赚一笔；但如果读MBA，特别是TOP20之后的学校，回国找个工作，可能要3-5年才能收回成本，加上读书的时间就是5-7年，因此我不太赞同花家里的钱去进行这项投资。
后来我通过朋友介绍，在VA找到一份工作，薪水能够付得起在美两年学习生活的费用，但是我不清楚MBA能否半工半读？
希望朋友们帮忙，谢谢！
P.S. 在Washington附近有哪些TOP50的商学院？
A:
normally it's the VISA issue
the government simply doesn't want foreigners to work
even you can find some part-time job,
the pay is normally $7 per hour
it doesn't help anyway
[Career Explorer]请问四大做税务的工作经验对申请MBA/JD有帮助吗？
http://forum.chasedream.com/post.asp?action=re&BoardID=13&replyID=2894748&ID=320341&star=1&reply=true
Q:
以下是引用moonlite1016在2008-4-30 2:52:00的发言：拿到四大 税务的offer, 本来想考完LSAT直接毕业读JD的, 可我没有任何工作经验,
如果我先工作2,3年, 同时再考一个GMAT, 是否能凭四大的工作经验和 两个考试的成绩
报名美国 Columbia, NYU, UCLA,or Berkley 的 JD/MBA呢？ 四大工作经验的报名者应该很多, Business School 看重这个吗？
2,3年后的事情很难说 , 如果读了JD/MBA四年毕业 出来可能都快30了, 女孩子年龄一大很尴尬的, 而且美国移民也有年龄限制吧？
现在心里真的很苦恼 :(
A:
why mba?
you cannot prove you need it yet
and why JD?
you can't prove it now either
don't pretent you need one
and don't reverse the cause and consequence
Q:
以下是引用moonlite1016在2008-4-30 2:52:00的发言：拿到四大 税务的offer, 本来想考完LSAT直接毕业读JD的, 可我没有任何工作经验,
如果我先工作2,3年, 同时再考一个GMAT, 是否能凭四大的工作经验和 两个考试的成绩
报名美国 Columbia, NYU, UCLA,or Berkley 的 JD/MBA呢？ 四大工作经验的报名者应该很多, Business School 看重这个吗？
2,3年后的事情很难说 , 如果读了JD/MBA四年毕业 出来可能都快30了, 女孩子年龄一大很尴尬的, 而且美国移民也有年龄限制吧？
现在心里真的很苦恼 :(
A:
why mba?
you cannot prove you need it yet
and why JD?
you can't prove it now either
don't pretent you need one
and don't reverse the cause and consequence
[Program Fitting]CMU Vs. Emory full tuition scholarship (3)
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=318066&star=2#318066
Q:
既然楼主发现这么多人投Emory,还问any other thoughts?莫非楼主中意CMU?
A:
these people are not responsible for LZ's life
Q:
既然楼主发现这么多人投Emory,还问any other thoughts?莫非楼主中意CMU?
A:
these people are not responsible for LZ's life
[Program Fitting]CMU Vs. Emory full tuition scholarship (2)
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=318066&star=2#318066
Q:
cmu tiny scholarship Vs. emory full tuition scholarship. 大家有什么意见，请不吝赐教。谢谢！
本人30出头，金融+能源的背景，MBA之后希望在US做finance（至少先做一段时间），但是对具体的function现在还不是特别确定。
cmu Vs. emory:
1、排名方面。CMU的排名比EMORY略高，CMU在15名左右，EMORY在20名开外。
2、FINANCE方面。CMU的FINANCE好于EMORY，而且CMU的QUANT比较重，这也是我比较喜欢的（就是不知道扛不扛得住）。
3、经济因素。两年下来，CMU的花费大概在USD 130K，EMORY大概在USD 60K，CMU比EMORY高出USD 70K （已经考虑奖学金因素）。本人目前经济状况不是那么良好（顺便对当前的股市表示一下BS）；而且CMU不提供no-cosigner loan。简言之，去CMU的话自己会背负不少的债务，去EMORY无债一身轻。
4、对两所学校的感觉。两个学校的PROGRAM SIZE都不大，对学生的重视程度都不错。就目前自己的体会来看，感觉CMU对学生的重视程度更高（至少表面上看是这样）。自己更倾向于CMU。
5、MBA后的生活地域。没有特殊的要求，哪里有合适的工作哪有我；但是希望生活的地方别太土。
综合来看，CMU在排名、专业、个人感觉、对于找工作的帮助等方面均优于EMORY，但去EMORY可以节约USD 70K。
我现在犹豫的就是：在目前美国经济不景气、且本人手头不宽裕的前提下，CMU优于EMORY的各个方面（尤其是对于找工作的帮助方面），是否值USD 70K？
请大家指教。再次感谢！！
以下是引用WBS2007在2008-4-17 21:13:00的发言：考虑到未来两三年的经济形势，我个人看好Emory，虽然今年排名稍有波动，但长久看后劲十足；
A:
why?
whywhywhy?
and how?
we need the evidence
Q:
cmu tiny scholarship Vs. emory full tuition scholarship. 大家有什么意见，请不吝赐教。谢谢！
本人30出头，金融+能源的背景，MBA之后希望在US做finance（至少先做一段时间），但是对具体的function现在还不是特别确定。
cmu Vs. emory:
1、排名方面。CMU的排名比EMORY略高，CMU在15名左右，EMORY在20名开外。
2、FINANCE方面。CMU的FINANCE好于EMORY，而且CMU的QUANT比较重，这也是我比较喜欢的（就是不知道扛不扛得住）。
3、经济因素。两年下来，CMU的花费大概在USD 130K，EMORY大概在USD 60K，CMU比EMORY高出USD 70K （已经考虑奖学金因素）。本人目前经济状况不是那么良好（顺便对当前的股市表示一下BS）；而且CMU不提供no-cosigner loan。简言之，去CMU的话自己会背负不少的债务，去EMORY无债一身轻。
4、对两所学校的感觉。两个学校的PROGRAM SIZE都不大，对学生的重视程度都不错。就目前自己的体会来看，感觉CMU对学生的重视程度更高（至少表面上看是这样）。自己更倾向于CMU。
5、MBA后的生活地域。没有特殊的要求，哪里有合适的工作哪有我；但是希望生活的地方别太土。
综合来看，CMU在排名、专业、个人感觉、对于找工作的帮助等方面均优于EMORY，但去EMORY可以节约USD 70K。
我现在犹豫的就是：在目前美国经济不景气、且本人手头不宽裕的前提下，CMU优于EMORY的各个方面（尤其是对于找工作的帮助方面），是否值USD 70K？
请大家指教。再次感谢！！
以下是引用WBS2007在2008-4-17 21:13:00的发言：考虑到未来两三年的经济形势，我个人看好Emory，虽然今年排名稍有波动，但长久看后劲十足；
A:
why?
whywhywhy?
and how?
we need the evidence
[Program Fitting]CMU Vs. Emory full tuition scholarship
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=318066&star=2#318066
Q:
cmu tiny scholarship Vs. emory full tuition scholarship. 大家有什么意见，请不吝赐教。谢谢！
本人30出头，金融+能源的背景，MBA之后希望在US做finance（至少先做一段时间），但是对具体的function现在还不是特别确定。
cmu Vs. emory:
1、排名方面。CMU的排名比EMORY略高，CMU在15名左右，EMORY在20名开外。
2、FINANCE方面。CMU的FINANCE好于EMORY，而且CMU的QUANT比较重，这也是我比较喜欢的（就是不知道扛不扛得住）。
3、经济因素。两年下来，CMU的花费大概在USD 130K，EMORY大概在USD 60K，CMU比EMORY高出USD 70K （已经考虑奖学金因素）。本人目前经济状况不是那么良好（顺便对当前的股市表示一下BS）；而且CMU不提供no-cosigner loan。简言之，去CMU的话自己会背负不少的债务，去EMORY无债一身轻。
4、对两所学校的感觉。两个学校的PROGRAM SIZE都不大，对学生的重视程度都不错。就目前自己的体会来看，感觉CMU对学生的重视程度更高（至少表面上看是这样）。自己更倾向于CMU。
5、MBA后的生活地域。没有特殊的要求，哪里有合适的工作哪有我；但是希望生活的地方别太土。
综合来看，CMU在排名、专业、个人感觉、对于找工作的帮助等方面均优于EMORY，但去EMORY可以节约USD 70K。
我现在犹豫的就是：在目前美国经济不景气、且本人手头不宽裕的前提下，CMU优于EMORY的各个方面（尤其是对于找工作的帮助方面），是否值USD 70K？
请大家指教。再次感谢！！
A:
something money can't buy
it works here
CMU will worthe the $
you'll see why when you compare both fin programs
and eliminate the repeated courses
or you can also see Emory's Dean's Message
it's about leadership, not about finance
then the curriculum is designed accordingly
then you'll see CMU emphasizes strongly on quant from the 1st year
which is critical for fin career
but no such privilege in Emory
that's why CMU is more expensive
Q:
cmu tiny scholarship Vs. emory full tuition scholarship. 大家有什么意见，请不吝赐教。谢谢！
本人30出头，金融+能源的背景，MBA之后希望在US做finance（至少先做一段时间），但是对具体的function现在还不是特别确定。
cmu Vs. emory:
1、排名方面。CMU的排名比EMORY略高，CMU在15名左右，EMORY在20名开外。
2、FINANCE方面。CMU的FINANCE好于EMORY，而且CMU的QUANT比较重，这也是我比较喜欢的（就是不知道扛不扛得住）。
3、经济因素。两年下来，CMU的花费大概在USD 130K，EMORY大概在USD 60K，CMU比EMORY高出USD 70K （已经考虑奖学金因素）。本人目前经济状况不是那么良好（顺便对当前的股市表示一下BS）；而且CMU不提供no-cosigner loan。简言之，去CMU的话自己会背负不少的债务，去EMORY无债一身轻。
4、对两所学校的感觉。两个学校的PROGRAM SIZE都不大，对学生的重视程度都不错。就目前自己的体会来看，感觉CMU对学生的重视程度更高（至少表面上看是这样）。自己更倾向于CMU。
5、MBA后的生活地域。没有特殊的要求，哪里有合适的工作哪有我；但是希望生活的地方别太土。
综合来看，CMU在排名、专业、个人感觉、对于找工作的帮助等方面均优于EMORY，但去EMORY可以节约USD 70K。
我现在犹豫的就是：在目前美国经济不景气、且本人手头不宽裕的前提下，CMU优于EMORY的各个方面（尤其是对于找工作的帮助方面），是否值USD 70K？
请大家指教。再次感谢！！
A:
something money can't buy
it works here
CMU will worthe the $
you'll see why when you compare both fin programs
and eliminate the repeated courses
or you can also see Emory's Dean's Message
it's about leadership, not about finance
then the curriculum is designed accordingly
then you'll see CMU emphasizes strongly on quant from the 1st year
which is critical for fin career
but no such privilege in Emory
that's why CMU is more expensive
[Career Explorer]<運動行銷>一問
http://www.chemy.idv.tw/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=200789#200789
Q:
因目标明确想朝向运动行销类别的公司发展，如NIKE、REEBOK等，因此最近在Survey应具备的相关的能力：外语能力是基础条件，相关知识则是加分要件，我的直觉是如果直接到国外去念相关科系，可以一次解决这两个问题，因此有计画去国外念运动相关master。但日前有朋友传了一份以sport marketing为主的MBA report给我看，里面提到了几所学校的MBA，课程会实际去NBA、小联盟等地方实习，甚至有机会参与其中的运作。 我的问题是，若以工作为考量，目标是想进上述我所提到相关运动行销公司，那么选择＜运动相关系所中的sport marketing＞还是<结合sport marketing的MBA>会较容易达成目标？因为两者间的requirement不同，需考GRE或考GMAT也不同，这疑问困扰了我一阵，希望能有大大能帮我解惑！ 另外，因我已有一个国内MBA的学位，若加强英文口说能力，是否也有机会一试这些公司呢？ 谢谢～^^
A:楼主已有一个MBA
要找出为何还需要sport marketing或什至是另一个MBA
另外看到一个小小状况
专业知识才是基本条件
语言只是加分
另一方面跟楼主背景及资历也有高度关联
不晓得楼主如何如此确定运动行销
动机为何
具备或欠缺哪些能力
在这项领域中有过多少资历
而为何已经有了一个MBA却没能进去
不管什么report
别人能进去不代表您也能进去
MBA中的实习只是冰山一角
不会因为想要去某某地方实习而孤注一掷
也不是学费砸了就去的了
有国内MBA原则上就已经具备进入这些公司的条件
不会歧视本土MBA而非要留学回来不可
语言只会是一个minor concern
台湾是资讯爆炸的所在
本土资源充足足以让您英文吓吓叫
在台湾学不好在国外也不一定学的好
问题不是在去哪拜师
而是如何无师也能自通
2008年4月17日 星期四
[Program Fitting]选校-MBA in Lehigh or Fordham
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=318128&star=1#2876131
Q:
不好意思有个问题想请教大家
我分别上了Lehigh 和 Fordham的MBA Program
可是我现在不知道要去哪家好
Lehigh的排名好像比较好 可是有点小偏僻
我向往纽约的Fordham 可是颇贵的
虽然这两家在MBA上好像没差多少
可是我实在很烦恼到底选哪家好
可以请大家给我一些意见吗
谢谢大家
A:
这两间学校的排名都已超出参考范围
因此即使排名有高低也已不具指标意义
两间学校虽然看似相近
但有满明显的高下之别
各主修方向都互有长短
不过高下也相差有限
主要还是要看您要走的主修方向为何
最好的状况從您的生涯三元素:激情,性格,专业能力
找出您的生涯方向及学习项目
再来配合学校课程
2008年4月16日 星期三
[Program Fitting]请问如果以MC为方向的话 top20里面那些比较出名 (2)
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=317792&star=1#317792
Q:
以下是引用songjiong在2008-4-16 23:51:00的发言：
Depends on which office you want to be. General speaking, top 10 Bschool in USA will give you the opportunity for recruting in US office. LBS, Insead and IMD will do the same to European office. Both of them will help for Chinese office.
One level down, it is always difficult to Chinese to get in top MC's overseas office. For example, Chinese are difficult to get in McK US office no matter you gradute from top 3 or top 10 Bschool. I have only seen 3 chinese last summer out of 300+ summer intern natiowide. So the number of placement in MC is sometime misleading as it does not apply to Chinese.
I sense that english communication and culture undertstanding play a key role here on top of your high intelligence.
* Here Chinese, I mean people who get their bachelor degree in China and have little overseas working or living expernece.
A:
To LZ,
just like in this case
you need to find out why Chinese are so hard to get in
it's absolutely NOT due to possibility
it's about their capabilities
it's not about language and cultural background
and you need to know why
why no one can get into "the U.S. offices"?
why? why? why?
only after you find out why, and overcome all those obstacals and limitations
then MC will consider you
if you want to do MC
you need to make yourself become the impossible one
and create the impossibles
Q:
以下是引用songjiong在2008-4-16 23:51:00的发言：
Depends on which office you want to be. General speaking, top 10 Bschool in USA will give you the opportunity for recruting in US office. LBS, Insead and IMD will do the same to European office. Both of them will help for Chinese office.
One level down, it is always difficult to Chinese to get in top MC's overseas office. For example, Chinese are difficult to get in McK US office no matter you gradute from top 3 or top 10 Bschool. I have only seen 3 chinese last summer out of 300+ summer intern natiowide. So the number of placement in MC is sometime misleading as it does not apply to Chinese.
I sense that english communication and culture undertstanding play a key role here on top of your high intelligence.
* Here Chinese, I mean people who get their bachelor degree in China and have little overseas working or living expernece.
A:
To LZ,
just like in this case
you need to find out why Chinese are so hard to get in
it's absolutely NOT due to possibility
it's about their capabilities
it's not about language and cultural background
and you need to know why
why no one can get into "the U.S. offices"?
why? why? why?
only after you find out why, and overcome all those obstacals and limitations
then MC will consider you
if you want to do MC
you need to make yourself become the impossible one
and create the impossibles
[Program Fitting]请问如果以MC为方向的话 top20里面那些比较出名
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=317792&star=1#317792
Q:
请问如果以MC为方向的话 top20里面那些比较出名？ 谢谢大家 贴出top20的学校 以便在上面标注
因为自己的工科工作背景不大可能在金融方向发展 ，其实自己也没有很大的兴趣 就定了方向往MC 读MBA对选定学校很重要
1 University of Pennsylvania: Wharton U.S.A. 2 London Business School U.K. 3 Columbia Business School U.S.A. 已知是金融牛校4 Stanford University GSB U.S.A. 5 Harvard Business School U.S.A. 6 Insead FR / SG 7 MIT: Sloan U.S.A. 8 IE Business School Spain 9 University of Chicago GSB U.S.A. 10 University of Cambridge: Judge U.K. 11 Ceibs China 11 Iese Business School Spain 13 New York University: Stern U.S.A. 14 IMD Switzerland 15 Dartmouth College: Tuck U.S.A. 16 Yale School of Management U.S.A. 17 Hong Kong UST Business School China 18 HEC Paris France 19 University of Oxford: Said U.K. 20 Indian School of Business India 21 Esade Business School Spain 22 Lancaster University Management School U.K. 22 Manchester Business School U.K.
A:
要做MC
必须要有能力分析自我方向
分析学校优劣
为什么排名会这样排
为什么别家排名不一样
各排名 各有什么盲点跟限制
课程谁强誰弱
哪里强哪里弱
各是为什么
自己有什么强弱项
需要哪些课程来补强
要做哪种专业的MC
需要哪些条件
如果自己的人生都没办法分析
又怎么有能力做MC去分析别人?
Q:
请问如果以MC为方向的话 top20里面那些比较出名？ 谢谢大家 贴出top20的学校 以便在上面标注
因为自己的工科工作背景不大可能在金融方向发展 ，其实自己也没有很大的兴趣 就定了方向往MC 读MBA对选定学校很重要
1 University of Pennsylvania: Wharton U.S.A. 2 London Business School U.K. 3 Columbia Business School U.S.A. 已知是金融牛校4 Stanford University GSB U.S.A. 5 Harvard Business School U.S.A. 6 Insead FR / SG 7 MIT: Sloan U.S.A. 8 IE Business School Spain 9 University of Chicago GSB U.S.A. 10 University of Cambridge: Judge U.K. 11 Ceibs China 11 Iese Business School Spain 13 New York University: Stern U.S.A. 14 IMD Switzerland 15 Dartmouth College: Tuck U.S.A. 16 Yale School of Management U.S.A. 17 Hong Kong UST Business School China 18 HEC Paris France 19 University of Oxford: Said U.K. 20 Indian School of Business India 21 Esade Business School Spain 22 Lancaster University Management School U.K. 22 Manchester Business School U.K.
A:
要做MC
必须要有能力分析自我方向
分析学校优劣
为什么排名会这样排
为什么别家排名不一样
各排名 各有什么盲点跟限制
课程谁强誰弱
哪里强哪里弱
各是为什么
自己有什么强弱项
需要哪些课程来补强
要做哪种专业的MC
需要哪些条件
如果自己的人生都没办法分析
又怎么有能力做MC去分析别人?
2008年4月15日 星期二
[Career Explorer]希望有人能给我点意见,不胜感激!!!
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=317701&star=1#2872076
Q:
我是大四的学生,这年6月毕业,申请到SUNY BUFFALO的MBA,但是听到越来越多人说没有工作经验读MBA不好,现在有人建议我申澳洲会计,达人们,我这种刚毕业的学生适合读MBA吗??澳洲留学好像还没成趋势,去只怕去了澳洲回国没那么吃香...
达人们,我真的很烦恼,在此求助!!
谢谢!!!
A:
都已经有美国MBA念了怎么还会去澳洲呢
美国商学院主力战场
竞争如此激烈 各大排名百家争鸣
有听过澳洲有讨论什么排名吗
MBA跟会计天差地远 没有兴趣会要你的命
MBA非常广
先工作几年才会让你困而后学之
知道什么路适合你 什么路不适合
也才真正知道MBA如何实际应用 还有该用哪些部份
年资越久越吃香
越多好学校要你
Q:
我是大四的学生,这年6月毕业,申请到SUNY BUFFALO的MBA,但是听到越来越多人说没有工作经验读MBA不好,现在有人建议我申澳洲会计,达人们,我这种刚毕业的学生适合读MBA吗??澳洲留学好像还没成趋势,去只怕去了澳洲回国没那么吃香...
达人们,我真的很烦恼,在此求助!!
谢谢!!!
A:
都已经有美国MBA念了怎么还会去澳洲呢
美国商学院主力战场
竞争如此激烈 各大排名百家争鸣
有听过澳洲有讨论什么排名吗
MBA跟会计天差地远 没有兴趣会要你的命
MBA非常广
先工作几年才会让你困而后学之
知道什么路适合你 什么路不适合
也才真正知道MBA如何实际应用 还有该用哪些部份
年资越久越吃香
越多好学校要你
2008年4月14日 星期一
[Program Fitting]businessweek的最新mba排名
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=317311&star=2#2870900
Q:
楼上的，你的信息似乎有误。BW的排名并不是只基于employers' feedbacks，完全基于employers' feedbacks应该是Wall Street Journal.
BW的排名方法：
45% - Student Satisfaction Surveys45% - Corporate Recruiter Surveys10% - Intellectual Capital
The intellectual capital portion of the rankings is taken by looking at the number of times a business schools' faculty has published in particular journals. There are also additional intellectual capital points awarded if certain major publications review a professor's book.
另外，BW的排名有一个很明显的缺点（当然也有人说是优点），就是它将以往几次（我不记得具体是几次了，好像是3次）的排名平均了。因为BW两年排一次名，所以如果平均3次的排名，就表示它将6年前的数据也拿来用了。这无法体现出bschool的最新发展趋势，对一些新兴的商学院尤其不公平。
排名这个东西，各有各的道理，参考一下就行了。太执著于此，难免一叶障目，不见泰山。
A:
就是因為這樣的統計方式因此遭來各方詬病
簡單講幾個邏輯謬誤就是只要學校登高一乎請所有學生填滿分
學校名次就會衝高好幾名
對學生出去找工作也好找多了
另一方面雇主不滿意可能是自己公司名不夠響亮招不到學生
但當僱主填不滿意時,BW並不會續問不滿原因為何
另外10%的IC中也有很多過度簡化
例如:評斷論文產出數量及篇幅長度並不合理
一方面MBA是實務管理
大家忙著練習分析案例跟訓練經理人表達就來不及了
誰會有時間去寫論文
反而是會寫研究論文的都是研究型學校
對學生的實務訓練反而沒辦法花時間下功夫
又經理人表達在於精簡到位
越長的篇幅反而可能越兜圈子
但卻在排名上有鼓勵效益
而最主要的課程編排邏輯完整度與學生就業訓練
在排名中完全無法評斷
因此每年成千上萬赴美就讀MBA的學生
即使名校畢業出來也不見得懂得怎麼用
而真正MBA的目的是為了將商業效能極大化
若無法融會貫通,即使哈佛賓大畢業出來一樣無法提升商業運作效能
Q:
楼上的，你的信息似乎有误。BW的排名并不是只基于employers' feedbacks，完全基于employers' feedbacks应该是Wall Street Journal.
BW的排名方法：
45% - Student Satisfaction Surveys45% - Corporate Recruiter Surveys10% - Intellectual Capital
The intellectual capital portion of the rankings is taken by looking at the number of times a business schools' faculty has published in particular journals. There are also additional intellectual capital points awarded if certain major publications review a professor's book.
另外，BW的排名有一个很明显的缺点（当然也有人说是优点），就是它将以往几次（我不记得具体是几次了，好像是3次）的排名平均了。因为BW两年排一次名，所以如果平均3次的排名，就表示它将6年前的数据也拿来用了。这无法体现出bschool的最新发展趋势，对一些新兴的商学院尤其不公平。
排名这个东西，各有各的道理，参考一下就行了。太执著于此，难免一叶障目，不见泰山。
A:
就是因為這樣的統計方式因此遭來各方詬病
簡單講幾個邏輯謬誤就是只要學校登高一乎請所有學生填滿分
學校名次就會衝高好幾名
對學生出去找工作也好找多了
另一方面雇主不滿意可能是自己公司名不夠響亮招不到學生
但當僱主填不滿意時,BW並不會續問不滿原因為何
另外10%的IC中也有很多過度簡化
例如:評斷論文產出數量及篇幅長度並不合理
一方面MBA是實務管理
大家忙著練習分析案例跟訓練經理人表達就來不及了
誰會有時間去寫論文
反而是會寫研究論文的都是研究型學校
對學生的實務訓練反而沒辦法花時間下功夫
又經理人表達在於精簡到位
越長的篇幅反而可能越兜圈子
但卻在排名上有鼓勵效益
而最主要的課程編排邏輯完整度與學生就業訓練
在排名中完全無法評斷
因此每年成千上萬赴美就讀MBA的學生
即使名校畢業出來也不見得懂得怎麼用
而真正MBA的目的是為了將商業效能極大化
若無法融會貫通,即使哈佛賓大畢業出來一樣無法提升商業運作效能
[Personal Branding]关于MBA的申请，请问下各位前辈
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=316740&star=2#2870870
Q:
大家好，先来报道了。我现在对申请的事情基本不怎么了解，希望大家可以多多指点。申请MBA的话，对申请人本身的条件有什么要求？还有，就是我比较关心的一点，就是有没有奖学金呢？希望大家多多指教。我现在开始准备GMAT,明年入学，来得及么？谢谢了噢
A:
GMAT大概最迟八月就要考了
后面还有一大堆essay要写
要再花好幾個月
GMAT大概只占整体准备功夫的三成
MBA原则上要工作五年
不然一方面念不到好学校
另一方面念出来也不晓得怎么用
Q:
大家好，先来报道了。我现在对申请的事情基本不怎么了解，希望大家可以多多指点。申请MBA的话，对申请人本身的条件有什么要求？还有，就是我比较关心的一点，就是有没有奖学金呢？希望大家多多指教。我现在开始准备GMAT,明年入学，来得及么？谢谢了噢
A:
GMAT大概最迟八月就要考了
后面还有一大堆essay要写
要再花好幾個月
GMAT大概只占整体准备功夫的三成
MBA原则上要工作五年
不然一方面念不到好学校
另一方面念出来也不晓得怎么用
[Career Explorer]老爸总说我孩子不懂事，我该如何选择？
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&replyid=2867490&id=316668&page=1&skin=0&Star=1
Q:
老爸总说我孩子不懂事，我该如何选择？（再写几句）
大家帮帮我：去大型国企还是银行金融？
本人国内Top3的本科毕业，念经济，随后去美国读了master in finance,准备回国发展，今年25，现在面临职业的选择：
因为家庭背景的关系，老爸在国内中国电信干，认为这个行当是“金饭碗”，在以后各行业不确定因素极大的时候最吃香，所以执意让我进中国电信发展，做财务管理（当然他也有这个能力把握弄进去），凭着国内名牌大学的背景和美国教育背景，几年内也应该能爬到个不错的位置。但问题是：
电信行业比较不是自己专业方向，自己还是希望去银行或其他金融机构工作，有更大的空间，所以举棋不定，而且是选择外资银行呢还是中资大型银行，如中国银行，建行等？要不就从了老爸？
老爸总说我孩子不知道外面的世界混有多难，所以想在这里问问大家，因为你们都是都是历经风雨的人了，觉得我该怎样选择呢？
A:
The only thing is all of us are not responsible for your own career
so make a very deep consideration
and then take it by yourself
Q:
老爸总说我孩子不懂事，我该如何选择？（再写几句）
大家帮帮我：去大型国企还是银行金融？
本人国内Top3的本科毕业，念经济，随后去美国读了master in finance,准备回国发展，今年25，现在面临职业的选择：
因为家庭背景的关系，老爸在国内中国电信干，认为这个行当是“金饭碗”，在以后各行业不确定因素极大的时候最吃香，所以执意让我进中国电信发展，做财务管理（当然他也有这个能力把握弄进去），凭着国内名牌大学的背景和美国教育背景，几年内也应该能爬到个不错的位置。但问题是：
电信行业比较不是自己专业方向，自己还是希望去银行或其他金融机构工作，有更大的空间，所以举棋不定，而且是选择外资银行呢还是中资大型银行，如中国银行，建行等？要不就从了老爸？
老爸总说我孩子不知道外面的世界混有多难，所以想在这里问问大家，因为你们都是都是历经风雨的人了，觉得我该怎样选择呢？
A:
The only thing is all of us are not responsible for your own career
so make a very deep consideration
and then take it by yourself
[Career Explorer]我这样的申top 10有戏吗？请牛牛们看看··
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=317491&star=1#317491
Q:
我的背景和别人都不同，所以觉得比较孤立啊···
本科是liberal arts，在读硕士econ mgmt，工作背景政府公务员2年，但不是国家部委，我知道很多商务部的牛人拿到top mba的：（555
IBT 109,GMAT未考，GRE考过了，现在准备GMAT还来得及吗，8月之前考完，每天都能考吗？？
现在有2个选择，请牛牛们看看哪种对今后发展更有利呢？
A. 今年去读UT-Austin的MPA/MBA,不是prof acc的MPA,是public affairs，MPA给我全奖的，但是MPA在美国找不到工作，我想过去了读dual degree mba或者转会计的，然后在美国工作1-2年申请top 10 mba
B. 今年申请top 10 MBA,失败了就再工作一年申请？但是我不知道可能性有多大，我的工作经验和business相关的很少，顶多就是regulation管制企业，或者促进企业发展，比如和奇瑞公司合作促进出口，但都是从政府的角度来看的，我听说biz school喜欢diverse background，我的背景的确不同，但是和finance，banking，IT等的牛牛们比会显得不match吗？
还有个问题是我的政府经验会成为我将来求职的劣势吗？因为没在private sector里做过，将来的雇主会不会要那些以前就在consulting，finance里做过多年的MBA，而不选择我呢？
我是小菜鸟，想今后在美国的consulting，ibank工作段时间，今年快23了，选A的话读完年龄很大了：（ B的话读完26，27当然如果能成功的话～～～
请牛牛们给点建议吧···谢谢～～
A:
目前LZ前10没战很不好意思讲泄气话
主要问题不是在考试成绩或是政府经验
而是LZ本身对生涯方向的选择没有明确依据
即使GMAT冲到750都一样没战
跟工作经验年资没有太大关系
当然目前年资太浅
但主要是这样没有头绪的状况即使多工作三年也没战
一方面是目前没有任何MBA必要性
谁都想找好工作
但这不足以构成MBA动机
想要有战,必须要能证明LZ在"申请前"本身已经有多项领导成就
并有精确未来生涯方向及目标
且非透过MBA完成不可
并且能够透过MBA修行,而产生两倍三倍甚至五倍十倍以上的重大领导能力
要能有这样的明确生涯方向
必须要从生涯三元素找出"激情","性格",与"专业能力"
三项有顺序关系
目前LZ若想要有战
必须要找出激情与性格元素
来抽取出长期生涯方向
专业能力可以培养
然而目前为止的生涯方向跳跃,逻辑模糊
不论是MPA或是MBA都没有明确的必要性及不可取代性
又目前为止还没有任何证据能证明LZ有高度成功领导特质
这样即使GMAT750
也会被关在top20门外
毕业后求职方面,楼主有个致命的心态问题需要解决
就是生涯是由自己开创争取
而不是向雇主乞求施与
即便竞争者有优异背景撑腰
LZ也要想办法不断提升自身能力
来创造职场竞争力
而不是讨论谁做过顾问谁做过高官
其他细部生涯规划与申请方向可以私下讨论
Q:
我的背景和别人都不同，所以觉得比较孤立啊···
本科是liberal arts，在读硕士econ mgmt，工作背景政府公务员2年，但不是国家部委，我知道很多商务部的牛人拿到top mba的：（555
IBT 109,GMAT未考，GRE考过了，现在准备GMAT还来得及吗，8月之前考完，每天都能考吗？？
现在有2个选择，请牛牛们看看哪种对今后发展更有利呢？
A. 今年去读UT-Austin的MPA/MBA,不是prof acc的MPA,是public affairs，MPA给我全奖的，但是MPA在美国找不到工作，我想过去了读dual degree mba或者转会计的，然后在美国工作1-2年申请top 10 mba
B. 今年申请top 10 MBA,失败了就再工作一年申请？但是我不知道可能性有多大，我的工作经验和business相关的很少，顶多就是regulation管制企业，或者促进企业发展，比如和奇瑞公司合作促进出口，但都是从政府的角度来看的，我听说biz school喜欢diverse background，我的背景的确不同，但是和finance，banking，IT等的牛牛们比会显得不match吗？
还有个问题是我的政府经验会成为我将来求职的劣势吗？因为没在private sector里做过，将来的雇主会不会要那些以前就在consulting，finance里做过多年的MBA，而不选择我呢？
我是小菜鸟，想今后在美国的consulting，ibank工作段时间，今年快23了，选A的话读完年龄很大了：（ B的话读完26，27当然如果能成功的话～～～
请牛牛们给点建议吧···谢谢～～
A:
目前LZ前10没战很不好意思讲泄气话
主要问题不是在考试成绩或是政府经验
而是LZ本身对生涯方向的选择没有明确依据
即使GMAT冲到750都一样没战
跟工作经验年资没有太大关系
当然目前年资太浅
但主要是这样没有头绪的状况即使多工作三年也没战
一方面是目前没有任何MBA必要性
谁都想找好工作
但这不足以构成MBA动机
想要有战,必须要能证明LZ在"申请前"本身已经有多项领导成就
并有精确未来生涯方向及目标
且非透过MBA完成不可
并且能够透过MBA修行,而产生两倍三倍甚至五倍十倍以上的重大领导能力
要能有这样的明确生涯方向
必须要从生涯三元素找出"激情","性格",与"专业能力"
三项有顺序关系
目前LZ若想要有战
必须要找出激情与性格元素
来抽取出长期生涯方向
专业能力可以培养
然而目前为止的生涯方向跳跃,逻辑模糊
不论是MPA或是MBA都没有明确的必要性及不可取代性
又目前为止还没有任何证据能证明LZ有高度成功领导特质
这样即使GMAT750
也会被关在top20门外
毕业后求职方面,楼主有个致命的心态问题需要解决
就是生涯是由自己开创争取
而不是向雇主乞求施与
即便竞争者有优异背景撑腰
LZ也要想办法不断提升自身能力
来创造职场竞争力
而不是讨论谁做过顾问谁做过高官
其他细部生涯规划与申请方向可以私下讨论
[Program Fitting]Pls give me some suggestion
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=316911&star=1#2870508
Q:
Pls give me some suggestion
April 15th is approaching, i have to make a decision soon. I am a bit torn between the choices, hopefully you guys can give me some ideas.
1. Vandy , 32K/yr
2, Notre Dame, 35k/yr
3, Olin, full tuition
Which school will give me a better chance at landing a decent paid job in the marketing field? Thanks!
A:
Just open their curriculum on marketing concentration
you'll see Notre Dame's marketing is fairly blur and limited
many key elements are missing
no consumer behavior, which is the most critical one
no pricing, no marcom tactics, no operation or supply chain integration, no sales and no channel management.
while Vandy and Olin are both well-rounded and competitive
deep consumer insight, solid market research, brand and marcom strategies and tactics, sales negotiation and product innovation, CRM with database marketing, channel management, also digital marketing
Then see their recruiting statistics
although Vandy is quite complete on marketing course design
both Vandy and Notre Dame have only 21~22% work in marketing function
whereas Olin has a 31% in marketing function, with the most decent salary out of three
$89k,
Vandy has a $1373 weekly=$71,396 annually
Notre Dame has a $6,300 monthly in marketing=$75,600 annaully
So Olin will be the best choice, while both overall ranking and tuition compensation are the most attractive
Q:
Pls give me some suggestion
April 15th is approaching, i have to make a decision soon. I am a bit torn between the choices, hopefully you guys can give me some ideas.
1. Vandy , 32K/yr
2, Notre Dame, 35k/yr
3, Olin, full tuition
Which school will give me a better chance at landing a decent paid job in the marketing field? Thanks!
A:
Just open their curriculum on marketing concentration
you'll see Notre Dame's marketing is fairly blur and limited
many key elements are missing
no consumer behavior, which is the most critical one
no pricing, no marcom tactics, no operation or supply chain integration, no sales and no channel management.
while Vandy and Olin are both well-rounded and competitive
deep consumer insight, solid market research, brand and marcom strategies and tactics, sales negotiation and product innovation, CRM with database marketing, channel management, also digital marketing
Then see their recruiting statistics
although Vandy is quite complete on marketing course design
both Vandy and Notre Dame have only 21~22% work in marketing function
whereas Olin has a 31% in marketing function, with the most decent salary out of three
$89k,
Vandy has a $1373 weekly=$71,396 annually
Notre Dame has a $6,300 monthly in marketing=$75,600 annaully
So Olin will be the best choice, while both overall ranking and tuition compensation are the most attractive
2008年4月11日 星期五
[Career Explorer]请牛人分析我的背景申请北美TOP10的可能性
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=316546&star=4#316546
以下是引用poetfarmer在2008-4-11 9:33:00的发言：多谢各位的指点！简述一下我的背景：１。Ｇ／Ｔ都还没考，但自己英语底子还是比较自信的，一直都是做海外销售。２。本科是原来的华中理工毕业，毕业后在一个国内顶级电信设备公司作技术，工程师。１年后调到国内ＮＯ１的手机设计公司做海外销售，２年till July, 现在的position是海外一区域市场的team leader.我得疑惑主要在：其实个人的最终目标还是创业，但是面临一个创业不确定性的问题，曾经有几个创业项目都因为各种资源的原因没成，所以打算进行止损，干脆加入TOP IB先解决财务自由，当然ＩＢ的经验积累对我将来的创业也有好处。创业的偶像是柳传志，但可惜无法遇到像他那样好的机会，所以想走沈南鹏那样的道路，觉得TOP MBA->TOP IB-> START UP比较具有可行性。ＰＳ鹤蛲砣ゲ渭恿饲寤桑停拢恋男律婊幔芴甯芯鮠iversity非常不够，而且担心Ｉ班的清华老师都是大陆人，可能讲全英文课程无法讲的细致，可能最终只是蜻蜓点水。Ｉ班的前辈也反映过这种情况。请前辈再帮忙深入分析一把，拜谢先。
呵呵 补充一下，本人１年的技术工作有２个月的海外经历。２年的销售ｂａｓｅ在北京，不过海外出差比较频繁。希望加入ＣＤ，分享智慧。
--
A:
講實話 一切要等GT都出來以後才能考慮
什麼事都有可能 不管什麼分數都有例外
不過MBA進的了哪間跟出來要去哪不是看機率
而是看爭取
工程背景要創業 跟MBA中間有哪些關聯
有人創業不需要MBA
有人靠MBA創業
MBA無所不包 您要的是裡面的哪幾塊
為什麼? 而又要怎麼用上
多半在生涯管理選擇中
對創業人士最簡單直接的問題就是
如果不創業您要做啥?
創業是不歸路 所有成敗一人扛
拿自己的錢來燒
不是想進就進的來 也不是想放就放的下
LZ創業的替代道路是top IB
不能完全說不切實際
但還要問其中的關聯在哪
又全世界真正進IB領域的華人一年大約只有一百多人
比進consulting firm還難
即使進去了也只是拿命來換錢
重點是這站上茫茫三十萬人海 幾乎還沒人真正賺到IB的錢
在您連GT都還沒考的狀況下
可能說這一切都嫌太早
當然不是質疑LZ的能力
只是一切都還要等有硬體分數這項最基本的門檻以後
才有辦法進行下一步生涯規劃
以下是引用poetfarmer在2008-4-11 9:33:00的发言：多谢各位的指点！简述一下我的背景：１。Ｇ／Ｔ都还没考，但自己英语底子还是比较自信的，一直都是做海外销售。２。本科是原来的华中理工毕业，毕业后在一个国内顶级电信设备公司作技术，工程师。１年后调到国内ＮＯ１的手机设计公司做海外销售，２年till July, 现在的position是海外一区域市场的team leader.我得疑惑主要在：其实个人的最终目标还是创业，但是面临一个创业不确定性的问题，曾经有几个创业项目都因为各种资源的原因没成，所以打算进行止损，干脆加入TOP IB先解决财务自由，当然ＩＢ的经验积累对我将来的创业也有好处。创业的偶像是柳传志，但可惜无法遇到像他那样好的机会，所以想走沈南鹏那样的道路，觉得TOP MBA->TOP IB-> START UP比较具有可行性。ＰＳ鹤蛲砣ゲ渭恿饲寤桑停拢恋男律婊幔芴甯芯鮠iversity非常不够，而且担心Ｉ班的清华老师都是大陆人，可能讲全英文课程无法讲的细致，可能最终只是蜻蜓点水。Ｉ班的前辈也反映过这种情况。请前辈再帮忙深入分析一把，拜谢先。
呵呵 补充一下，本人１年的技术工作有２个月的海外经历。２年的销售ｂａｓｅ在北京，不过海外出差比较频繁。希望加入ＣＤ，分享智慧。
--
A:
講實話 一切要等GT都出來以後才能考慮
什麼事都有可能 不管什麼分數都有例外
不過MBA進的了哪間跟出來要去哪不是看機率
而是看爭取
工程背景要創業 跟MBA中間有哪些關聯
有人創業不需要MBA
有人靠MBA創業
MBA無所不包 您要的是裡面的哪幾塊
為什麼? 而又要怎麼用上
多半在生涯管理選擇中
對創業人士最簡單直接的問題就是
如果不創業您要做啥?
創業是不歸路 所有成敗一人扛
拿自己的錢來燒
不是想進就進的來 也不是想放就放的下
LZ創業的替代道路是top IB
不能完全說不切實際
但還要問其中的關聯在哪
又全世界真正進IB領域的華人一年大約只有一百多人
比進consulting firm還難
即使進去了也只是拿命來換錢
重點是這站上茫茫三十萬人海 幾乎還沒人真正賺到IB的錢
在您連GT都還沒考的狀況下
可能說這一切都嫌太早
當然不是質疑LZ的能力
只是一切都還要等有硬體分數這項最基本的門檻以後
才有辦法進行下一步生涯規劃
[Career Explorer]Suggested line of work?
美國商周商學院論壇上,
有人詢問25歲若未來要念MBA名校
應該選擇哪種生涯路線
這位詢問者有相當不錯的諮詢顧問潛能
但其中有幾項生涯選擇不合邏輯
請見小弟分析如下
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=75186
From: davidlee0222
Date: 2008-04-12T00:25:50
Very typical example of MBA career management. It's a global business that not limited to Chinese.
· From: dionusos
·
· Total Posts: 64
· Posted: Apr-10
I'm 25 years old, and I have been an administrative assistant for the past 2.5 years. Last 1.5 years at a health care company. I need to look for a new job that will put me in a better position to get into MBA school in a few years. What positions should I look for?
1) "Analyst" ?
2) IT support (I hope it's not hard to pick up and learn...)
3) Fill in the blank.
I just have no clue!
BTW my target industry for post-MBA work... I am very open to anything, but my top choices are Marketing and Finance.
(cont'd.)
I'm not sure how much more specific I can get than saying I want to be the director of a department at a company, a department that makes decisions concerning Brand Management, advancing and protecting the brand image of the company. Do I have to cite a specific company and product? Okay, well, I want to be the director of the Entertainment Department at Sony and decide how to market the next Playstation console.For example, this console generation had a controversial move that Sony was heavily criticized for--inclusion of the Blu-Ray drive (and the requirement that all game developers use the Blu-Ray disc). This raised the price on the PS3 and caused many to say that the xBox 360 would beat out the PS3. Sony, being much more experienced with hardware than the software giant of Microsoft, would surely take a big hit in their brand image in the console industry if this happened. The Sony Playstation became legendary with its second incarnation, but the name Sony was still not as resilient in console gaming as Nintendo, and Sony couldn't afford to lose out in this battle after so much investment.The decision to include Blu-Ray was risky and overlapped into the high-def media war with HD DVD, but winning over Warner Brothers through exclusive deals secured the victory, and now the PS3 is seen as a bargain way to have a gaming console and a high-def media player all in one.The overlapping of media players and console gaming was done before when Sony decided that that the PS2 would feature the software to play DVD movies. The buggy state of the PS2 DVD player led the masses to speculate that Sony would leave console gaming and movie players as separate markets. But Sony surprised everyone with the PS3.I want to be the guy who makes the decisions on how to market Son'y shoe entertainment products. I want to be one who takes Sony's reputation from "Oh yeah they're generally good, but not the best deal caused they are overpriced" to "Oh yeah, Sony!! They make great hardware like gaming consoles and HDTVs!!! Sure it's a little pricey but well worth it. Better to spend $500 on something you love than spend $350 on something that feels cheap and will break on you."I'll add another example if that helps.Pepsi Cola and Coca Cola have very different approaches to marketing their products. Pepsi Cola embraced non-carbonated beverages (Gatorade, Sobe) earlier, and expanded globally much faster than Coca Cola. Coca Cola was a little stubborn with developing non-carboated beverages, and wanted to concentrate on the market in America . Pepsi Cola's advertisement reacnhed out to the younger crowd, known to drink more soft drinks than their older counterparts. Coca Cola, looking back, realized how conservative their advertisement campaign was, and how it did not appeal to the younger generation. Coca Cola also ran into trouble with some of their bottling businesses, some of which were family-run and could not afford the low margin of profit. Coca Cola was losing the battle so bad, that to eliminate debt, Coca Cola brought back a retired ex-president, who came up with the highly regarded "51% solution" of keeping 51% of Coca Cola's stocks, while taking the other 49% and forming the Coke Company (correct me if I am wrong on the exact names). This eliminated millions in debt by taking advantage of a loophole in the law.So to give you an idea of what I want to do, I DON'T want to be the guy who is charged with coming up with the next brilliant 51% solution, but I DO want to be the guy who helps change Coca Cola's strategy of what types of drinks to develop (do we pool our resources into making new kinds of Powerade, or do we make more carbonated drinks?), and where to market the drinks (concentrate on the United States, or spread it out to Europe? Or the whole world?). In general, I'd like to be the guy who made everyone stop saying "Oh yeah, Coke, my dad drinks that" and instead, start saying "Why would I drink that Pepsi when there's perfectly good Coke right here? Save the Pepsi for your little sister."Again, thanks to everyone who has contributed so far. If there is anyone else out there that can make suggestions despite my vaguery, please do so!
Answer:
From: davidlee0222
Total Posts: 30
Posted: 8:09 PM
To: dionusos
:: Unread ::
18 of 18 75386.18
Reply to 75386.9
Hi Dionusos,
I believe you might be facing several blind spots in your career logic now. First is the reverse logic that you're choosing your career paths based on "pursuing a decent MBA." All due respect but the logic is error by nature. Your MBA should be something supplemental that can significantly accelerate your solid career objectives, not a "goal" by itself. Nobody knows what will exactly happen in future, but at least you need a direction or narrowed options as focused as possible, then you can figure out why you need an MBA and what part of it you'll need. So far these career choices are still all random. You need to find out by your career logic.
It's quite obviously that you have some analytical potential, but that may be misleading since the points you analyzed were the "afterward outcomes" that already reflected by the market, and these were only the surface of the operations and business strategies that either PS3 v.s. 360 or Coke v.s. Pepsi you need to go much deep down at least 4 to 5 levels to see internally the short-term and long-term business strategies, market-orientation, consumer perception and demand, brand strategy, product positioning relates to product portfolio, financial structures, supply chain networks, outsourcing practices, competitive landscapes, operation value chain, channel structures and profit splits, and then "forecast" the market for either profitabilities and stock influencials, so as to execute brand promotion, product selling campaigns, and pricing tactics.
But all of these are not your career pathing considerations. Career drivers are 3 major elements: Passion, Characteristics, and Professional Capabilities. Now although you had such a brillent analysis on market, it still cannot confirm whether the consulting-related jobs will be your career yet, since you need some concrete evidence on your real-world career. You need to prove to yourself that consulting or something else can be your life-long career, even though you might need "a decent MBA" first to get into certain industries like consulting, you have to prove your potential first by solid evidence, whatever it can be, to "knock the door" on these professions.
Another key may be your age and experience that 2.5 years are still too unpredictable to try to "settle down" your career. It'll be a huge risk based on very limited evidence and career track. Some of those evidences may be temporary or even false. You need at least a coule of years to observe and examine your best fit from 3 career drivers. Then see if you need a MBA and how significant it can play a role in your life. We can talk in private to find out your career progress and find out those career drivers.
David
MBA Career Manager
davidlee0222big1@gmail.com
"Chinese Ask David": http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=75186
有人詢問25歲若未來要念MBA名校
應該選擇哪種生涯路線
這位詢問者有相當不錯的諮詢顧問潛能
但其中有幾項生涯選擇不合邏輯
請見小弟分析如下
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=75186
From: davidlee0222
Date: 2008-04-12T00:25:50
Very typical example of MBA career management. It's a global business that not limited to Chinese.
· From: dionusos
·
· Total Posts: 64
· Posted: Apr-10
I'm 25 years old, and I have been an administrative assistant for the past 2.5 years. Last 1.5 years at a health care company. I need to look for a new job that will put me in a better position to get into MBA school in a few years. What positions should I look for?
1) "Analyst" ?
2) IT support (I hope it's not hard to pick up and learn...)
3) Fill in the blank.
I just have no clue!
BTW my target industry for post-MBA work... I am very open to anything, but my top choices are Marketing and Finance.
(cont'd.)
I'm not sure how much more specific I can get than saying I want to be the director of a department at a company, a department that makes decisions concerning Brand Management, advancing and protecting the brand image of the company. Do I have to cite a specific company and product? Okay, well, I want to be the director of the Entertainment Department at Sony and decide how to market the next Playstation console.For example, this console generation had a controversial move that Sony was heavily criticized for--inclusion of the Blu-Ray drive (and the requirement that all game developers use the Blu-Ray disc). This raised the price on the PS3 and caused many to say that the xBox 360 would beat out the PS3. Sony, being much more experienced with hardware than the software giant of Microsoft, would surely take a big hit in their brand image in the console industry if this happened. The Sony Playstation became legendary with its second incarnation, but the name Sony was still not as resilient in console gaming as Nintendo, and Sony couldn't afford to lose out in this battle after so much investment.The decision to include Blu-Ray was risky and overlapped into the high-def media war with HD DVD, but winning over Warner Brothers through exclusive deals secured the victory, and now the PS3 is seen as a bargain way to have a gaming console and a high-def media player all in one.The overlapping of media players and console gaming was done before when Sony decided that that the PS2 would feature the software to play DVD movies. The buggy state of the PS2 DVD player led the masses to speculate that Sony would leave console gaming and movie players as separate markets. But Sony surprised everyone with the PS3.I want to be the guy who makes the decisions on how to market Son'y shoe entertainment products. I want to be one who takes Sony's reputation from "Oh yeah they're generally good, but not the best deal caused they are overpriced" to "Oh yeah, Sony!! They make great hardware like gaming consoles and HDTVs!!! Sure it's a little pricey but well worth it. Better to spend $500 on something you love than spend $350 on something that feels cheap and will break on you."I'll add another example if that helps.Pepsi Cola and Coca Cola have very different approaches to marketing their products. Pepsi Cola embraced non-carbonated beverages (Gatorade, Sobe) earlier, and expanded globally much faster than Coca Cola. Coca Cola was a little stubborn with developing non-carboated beverages, and wanted to concentrate on the market in America . Pepsi Cola's advertisement reacnhed out to the younger crowd, known to drink more soft drinks than their older counterparts. Coca Cola, looking back, realized how conservative their advertisement campaign was, and how it did not appeal to the younger generation. Coca Cola also ran into trouble with some of their bottling businesses, some of which were family-run and could not afford the low margin of profit. Coca Cola was losing the battle so bad, that to eliminate debt, Coca Cola brought back a retired ex-president, who came up with the highly regarded "51% solution" of keeping 51% of Coca Cola's stocks, while taking the other 49% and forming the Coke Company (correct me if I am wrong on the exact names). This eliminated millions in debt by taking advantage of a loophole in the law.So to give you an idea of what I want to do, I DON'T want to be the guy who is charged with coming up with the next brilliant 51% solution, but I DO want to be the guy who helps change Coca Cola's strategy of what types of drinks to develop (do we pool our resources into making new kinds of Powerade, or do we make more carbonated drinks?), and where to market the drinks (concentrate on the United States, or spread it out to Europe? Or the whole world?). In general, I'd like to be the guy who made everyone stop saying "Oh yeah, Coke, my dad drinks that" and instead, start saying "Why would I drink that Pepsi when there's perfectly good Coke right here? Save the Pepsi for your little sister."Again, thanks to everyone who has contributed so far. If there is anyone else out there that can make suggestions despite my vaguery, please do so!
Answer:
From: davidlee0222
Total Posts: 30
Posted: 8:09 PM
To: dionusos
:: Unread ::
18 of 18 75386.18
Reply to 75386.9
Hi Dionusos,
I believe you might be facing several blind spots in your career logic now. First is the reverse logic that you're choosing your career paths based on "pursuing a decent MBA." All due respect but the logic is error by nature. Your MBA should be something supplemental that can significantly accelerate your solid career objectives, not a "goal" by itself. Nobody knows what will exactly happen in future, but at least you need a direction or narrowed options as focused as possible, then you can figure out why you need an MBA and what part of it you'll need. So far these career choices are still all random. You need to find out by your career logic.
It's quite obviously that you have some analytical potential, but that may be misleading since the points you analyzed were the "afterward outcomes" that already reflected by the market, and these were only the surface of the operations and business strategies that either PS3 v.s. 360 or Coke v.s. Pepsi you need to go much deep down at least 4 to 5 levels to see internally the short-term and long-term business strategies, market-orientation, consumer perception and demand, brand strategy, product positioning relates to product portfolio, financial structures, supply chain networks, outsourcing practices, competitive landscapes, operation value chain, channel structures and profit splits, and then "forecast" the market for either profitabilities and stock influencials, so as to execute brand promotion, product selling campaigns, and pricing tactics.
But all of these are not your career pathing considerations. Career drivers are 3 major elements: Passion, Characteristics, and Professional Capabilities. Now although you had such a brillent analysis on market, it still cannot confirm whether the consulting-related jobs will be your career yet, since you need some concrete evidence on your real-world career. You need to prove to yourself that consulting or something else can be your life-long career, even though you might need "a decent MBA" first to get into certain industries like consulting, you have to prove your potential first by solid evidence, whatever it can be, to "knock the door" on these professions.
Another key may be your age and experience that 2.5 years are still too unpredictable to try to "settle down" your career. It'll be a huge risk based on very limited evidence and career track. Some of those evidences may be temporary or even false. You need at least a coule of years to observe and examine your best fit from 3 career drivers. Then see if you need a MBA and how significant it can play a role in your life. We can talk in private to find out your career progress and find out those career drivers.
David
MBA Career Manager
davidlee0222big1@gmail.com
"Chinese Ask David": http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=75186
2008年4月9日 星期三
[Program Fitting]請教賢拜 : BU IMP (1YR MBA) VS USC IBEAR ( 1YR MBA)
http://www.chemy.idv.tw/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=199923#199923
Q:
USC較BU學費貴了USD 20K ,痛痛痛 考量重點如下: 1.實際課程及師資的品質,希望Focus 在Int'l Mgmt+Acc't. 2.學校及課程名聲、校友支持度 3.畢業後就業的考量((在美國或台灣皆可,工作身分OK) 4.若考慮不就業繼續攻商博(目標加州Top Tier B-School) 感恩 !!
A:
MBA is a terminal degree
it's totally different path from Ph.D
regarding other issues
USC has better reputation, more competitive student body better recognition in Asia, wider and more sophisticated course selection
while BU has decent location for finance and consulting fields
BU also has some close connection with consulting industry
the courses are more fundamental and easier to absorb
Q:
USC較BU學費貴了USD 20K ,痛痛痛 考量重點如下: 1.實際課程及師資的品質,希望Focus 在Int'l Mgmt+Acc't. 2.學校及課程名聲、校友支持度 3.畢業後就業的考量((在美國或台灣皆可,工作身分OK) 4.若考慮不就業繼續攻商博(目標加州Top Tier B-School) 感恩 !!
A:
MBA is a terminal degree
it's totally different path from Ph.D
regarding other issues
USC has better reputation, more competitive student body better recognition in Asia, wider and more sophisticated course selection
while BU has decent location for finance and consulting fields
BU also has some close connection with consulting industry
the courses are more fundamental and easier to absorb
请NN们关注一下小offer的选择吧(Full-time MBA)!
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=316164&star=2#2862628
Q:
本人二年IT工程师，四年IT项目管理经验，计划转行金融，目前有UF和W&M两个offer；请各位XDJM们帮帮忙吧，根据您宝贵的经验和见地，帮小弟选择一下吧，小弟先谢过了。
一、学校排名
university of florida：学校综合排名47； USnews34； 金融时报64；华尔街6；商业周刊41；福布斯51
William and Mary：学校综合排名31； USnews58；金融时报71； 华尔街17；商业周刊28；福布斯49
二、金融专业排名
university of florida：usnews排名20
william and mary： 无排名
三、奖学金情况：
william and mary：学费在80％奖学金后还需花15000$，另担负健康保险，生活费，和书费等杂费；
总花费大约42,000$；
University of Florida：学费在GA后全免，健康保险全免，两年学校还提供2000$生活费
总花费大约25,000$；
四、其他比较：
college of william and mary地理位置较好，距离华盛顿2.5小时车程，且在DC声誉较好；GMAT平均分610左右；US news2007就业率63.8％；平均薪资84000$
UF，地理位置一般，旅游和农业城市，毕业生多在本州就业，gmat平均分670左右。US news2007就业率80.4％，平均薪资70000$。
A:
W&M is a very market-oriented school
also very career-focused, deep training on leadership and managerial communication
both finance and B2C marketing are extraordinarily solid
they even fly to NYC to visit Blackrock Financial Management
which created private equity fashion and dominates it from the heaven
lots of company visits and guest speakers in almost every concentration
location also great that's driving distance to Washington D.C.
UF is one of the largest college in the U.S.
excellent campus and strong academic and research
while for MBA, it's more traditional approach on program design and lecturing
not as dynamic and aggressive as W&M Mason
but good environment for research
very peaceful geography
Q:
本人二年IT工程师，四年IT项目管理经验，计划转行金融，目前有UF和W&M两个offer；请各位XDJM们帮帮忙吧，根据您宝贵的经验和见地，帮小弟选择一下吧，小弟先谢过了。
一、学校排名
university of florida：学校综合排名47； USnews34； 金融时报64；华尔街6；商业周刊41；福布斯51
William and Mary：学校综合排名31； USnews58；金融时报71； 华尔街17；商业周刊28；福布斯49
二、金融专业排名
university of florida：usnews排名20
william and mary： 无排名
三、奖学金情况：
william and mary：学费在80％奖学金后还需花15000$，另担负健康保险，生活费，和书费等杂费；
总花费大约42,000$；
University of Florida：学费在GA后全免，健康保险全免，两年学校还提供2000$生活费
总花费大约25,000$；
四、其他比较：
college of william and mary地理位置较好，距离华盛顿2.5小时车程，且在DC声誉较好；GMAT平均分610左右；US news2007就业率63.8％；平均薪资84000$
UF，地理位置一般，旅游和农业城市，毕业生多在本州就业，gmat平均分670左右。US news2007就业率80.4％，平均薪资70000$。
A:
W&M is a very market-oriented school
also very career-focused, deep training on leadership and managerial communication
both finance and B2C marketing are extraordinarily solid
they even fly to NYC to visit Blackrock Financial Management
which created private equity fashion and dominates it from the heaven
lots of company visits and guest speakers in almost every concentration
location also great that's driving distance to Washington D.C.
UF is one of the largest college in the U.S.
excellent campus and strong academic and research
while for MBA, it's more traditional approach on program design and lecturing
not as dynamic and aggressive as W&M Mason
but good environment for research
very peaceful geography
2008年4月7日 星期一
[Program Fitting]Finance IU and Vandy
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=74702.15&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools
Q:
"While Vandy does have almost 2 levels more sophisticated courses than Kelley, Vandy goes to experiencial and higher academic finance. "
Can you expound on this? I am also choosing between Vandy and IU for finance and would like to get a better understanding of what you mean. Thanks
A:
When you compare both programs and match the courses one by one, you'll see Vandy is slightly more complete while Kelley is a bit speed up and focus more on Investment banking (yellow ones match almost perfectly, red ones are absent). The program logic when you see the course number sequence, Vandy builds quite from the ground and Kelley also solids on the fundamentals while rushs a bit to IB.
Both have very long course lists while Kelley is slightly shorter. Vandy goes more on academic and Kelley goes more on hottest topics of IB. So you can see the general ranking Kelley is higher but Vandy is more a standard in Finance.
(please see the original link, the format here is unclear.)
Vandy
Investments
Corporate Valuation
Corporate Financial Policy
International Financial Markets and Instruments
International Corporate Finance
Equities Markets
Bond Markets
Derivatives Markets
Financial Institutions
Real Estate Financial Analysis
Real Estate Investment & Development
Real Estate Finance and Capital Markets
Mergers and Acquisitions
Venture Capital/Private Equity
Risk Management
Financial Data Analysis
Derivative Securities Valuation
Active Portfolio Management
Special Topics, Corporate Governance
Special Topics in Accounting: Federal Income Taxation of Mergers and Acquisitions
Asset Pricing Theory
Corporate Finance Theory
Empirical Methods in Finance A
Empirical Methods in Finance B
Advanced Finance Theory
Independent Study in Finance
Research Seminar in Corporate Finance
Stochastic Processes
no banking
--
Kelley, IU
BUS-F 506 Commercial and Investment Banking
BUS-F 520 Asset Valuation and Strategy
BUS-F 546 Corporate Financial Strategy
BUS-F 570 International Financial Markets
BUS-F 571 International Corporate Finance
BUS-F 529 Equity Markets
BUS-F 528 Fixed Income Investments
BUS-F 505 Financial Intermediation
BUS-R 590 Independent Study in Real Estate
BUS-R 510 Real Estate Investment
BUS-R 530 Real Estate Finance
BUS-F 517 Venture Capital & Entrepreneurial Finance
BUS-F 525 Corporate Financial Risk Management
BUS-F 526 Derivative Securities
BUS-F 550 Applied Portfolio Selection
BUS-F 548 Corporate Governance and Restructuring
BUS-F 540 The Firm in the Capital Markets
BUS-F 508 Real Options in Capital Budgeting
BUS-F 507 Short-Term Financial Management
BUS-F 560 Special Topics in Finance
BUS-F 551 Special Projects in Investments
BUS-F 590 Independent Study in Finance
BUS-F 590 Independent Study in Finance
BUS-F 553 Special Projects in Investment Banking
BUS-F 554 Special Topics in Investment Banking
BUS-F 535 Security Trading and Market Making
no M&A
no derivatives
Q:
"While Vandy does have almost 2 levels more sophisticated courses than Kelley, Vandy goes to experiencial and higher academic finance. "
Can you expound on this? I am also choosing between Vandy and IU for finance and would like to get a better understanding of what you mean. Thanks
A:
When you compare both programs and match the courses one by one, you'll see Vandy is slightly more complete while Kelley is a bit speed up and focus more on Investment banking (yellow ones match almost perfectly, red ones are absent). The program logic when you see the course number sequence, Vandy builds quite from the ground and Kelley also solids on the fundamentals while rushs a bit to IB.
Both have very long course lists while Kelley is slightly shorter. Vandy goes more on academic and Kelley goes more on hottest topics of IB. So you can see the general ranking Kelley is higher but Vandy is more a standard in Finance.
(please see the original link, the format here is unclear.)
Vandy
Investments
Corporate Valuation
Corporate Financial Policy
International Financial Markets and Instruments
International Corporate Finance
Equities Markets
Bond Markets
Derivatives Markets
Financial Institutions
Real Estate Financial Analysis
Real Estate Investment & Development
Real Estate Finance and Capital Markets
Mergers and Acquisitions
Venture Capital/Private Equity
Risk Management
Financial Data Analysis
Derivative Securities Valuation
Active Portfolio Management
Special Topics, Corporate Governance
Special Topics in Accounting: Federal Income Taxation of Mergers and Acquisitions
Asset Pricing Theory
Corporate Finance Theory
Empirical Methods in Finance A
Empirical Methods in Finance B
Advanced Finance Theory
Independent Study in Finance
Research Seminar in Corporate Finance
Stochastic Processes
no banking
--
Kelley, IU
BUS-F 506 Commercial and Investment Banking
BUS-F 520 Asset Valuation and Strategy
BUS-F 546 Corporate Financial Strategy
BUS-F 570 International Financial Markets
BUS-F 571 International Corporate Finance
BUS-F 529 Equity Markets
BUS-F 528 Fixed Income Investments
BUS-F 505 Financial Intermediation
BUS-R 590 Independent Study in Real Estate
BUS-R 510 Real Estate Investment
BUS-R 530 Real Estate Finance
BUS-F 517 Venture Capital & Entrepreneurial Finance
BUS-F 525 Corporate Financial Risk Management
BUS-F 526 Derivative Securities
BUS-F 550 Applied Portfolio Selection
BUS-F 548 Corporate Governance and Restructuring
BUS-F 540 The Firm in the Capital Markets
BUS-F 508 Real Options in Capital Budgeting
BUS-F 507 Short-Term Financial Management
BUS-F 560 Special Topics in Finance
BUS-F 551 Special Projects in Investments
BUS-F 590 Independent Study in Finance
BUS-F 590 Independent Study in Finance
BUS-F 553 Special Projects in Investment Banking
BUS-F 554 Special Topics in Investment Banking
BUS-F 535 Security Trading and Market Making
no M&A
no derivatives
[Program Fitting]选校的矛盾，请大家说说意见呀！
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=315888&star=1#2858190
Q:
个人背景：大四即将毕业。专业电子，辅修商科。生活在business环境，有实习但没有全职工作经历。目标回国，从事公司理财或个人理财。打算今年秋出国，现在选校焦点集中在两所学校上，想问问大家的意见。UCSD MBA 2年（2万奖每年）和USF旧金山大学 金融分析 1年（6千奖）。UCSD MBA刚办几年，校友资源比较少，而且自己没有全职工作经验，不知道能否吸收。USF实在不知道这个学校到底如何，在国内貌似名声不大好。但有亲戚在那比较方便。以后可以考CFA，或者回国工作几年再申请top的MBA。但不知道USF还值得花那么多钱去读。大家的意见呢？Thank you！
A:
the study itself is a huge risk before your real work experience
since it'll be too late when you work a couple of years afterward and figure out you're in the wrong way
go to work first will be more realistic
you won't learn much now anyway
no much meaning to choose between them
Q:
个人背景：大四即将毕业。专业电子，辅修商科。生活在business环境，有实习但没有全职工作经历。目标回国，从事公司理财或个人理财。打算今年秋出国，现在选校焦点集中在两所学校上，想问问大家的意见。UCSD MBA 2年（2万奖每年）和USF旧金山大学 金融分析 1年（6千奖）。UCSD MBA刚办几年，校友资源比较少，而且自己没有全职工作经验，不知道能否吸收。USF实在不知道这个学校到底如何，在国内貌似名声不大好。但有亲戚在那比较方便。以后可以考CFA，或者回国工作几年再申请top的MBA。但不知道USF还值得花那么多钱去读。大家的意见呢？Thank you！
A:
the study itself is a huge risk before your real work experience
since it'll be too late when you work a couple of years afterward and figure out you're in the wrong way
go to work first will be more realistic
you won't learn much now anyway
no much meaning to choose between them
[Career Explorer]美国top20的MBA，毕业后想从事金融行业，难度有多大呢？
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=315958&star=1#2858174
Q:
以下是引用lecherous在2008-4-7 21:33:00的发言：
估计很多CDer都有这样的疑问，不好意思又挑起了一下。说实话，出国读个MBA，其实跟博士完全是两码事，前者是去花钱，一百多万；后者是去赚钱，一百多万。不得不慎重。
假定一个没有金融背景的人，只在比较有名的500强外企做过几年工程师，在美国读了个top30MBA，今后从事金融业的机会大么？
进IB如何？不是说什么GS，MS，ML等超级大牛，而是二三流的银行/证券公司的IB部门。
那么如果又换一下，如果是top10呢？二三流的IB还是很难进吗？
A:
need to find out why an engineer wants to do finance
these are 2 different planets
you must find out the passion deep in your blood
or you'll lose both of them
it needs to be something in your personality, characteristics, and your professional background
find out your irreplaceables
do you keep your account everyday?
do you invest by yourself and make money? how do you manage your portfolio?
can you excel at numbers? can you speak to those numbers and listen to them?
do you know the specific trends in the industries? how do you know and why?
which stocks will surge in next 3 months? which ones will free fall?
how do you crunch those surging ones to balance the free fall ones?
what will you do if your finance door is close?
and the last thing
why and how can you get in top 30 or even top 10 if you don't know yourself well enough?
need to find out all these answers
MBA is terminal degree
it's the end when you finish it
Ph.D serves for totally different purposes
but there's 99% no overlap
Q:
以下是引用lecherous在2008-4-7 21:33:00的发言：
估计很多CDer都有这样的疑问，不好意思又挑起了一下。说实话，出国读个MBA，其实跟博士完全是两码事，前者是去花钱，一百多万；后者是去赚钱，一百多万。不得不慎重。
假定一个没有金融背景的人，只在比较有名的500强外企做过几年工程师，在美国读了个top30MBA，今后从事金融业的机会大么？
进IB如何？不是说什么GS，MS，ML等超级大牛，而是二三流的银行/证券公司的IB部门。
那么如果又换一下，如果是top10呢？二三流的IB还是很难进吗？
A:
need to find out why an engineer wants to do finance
these are 2 different planets
you must find out the passion deep in your blood
or you'll lose both of them
it needs to be something in your personality, characteristics, and your professional background
find out your irreplaceables
do you keep your account everyday?
do you invest by yourself and make money? how do you manage your portfolio?
can you excel at numbers? can you speak to those numbers and listen to them?
do you know the specific trends in the industries? how do you know and why?
which stocks will surge in next 3 months? which ones will free fall?
how do you crunch those surging ones to balance the free fall ones?
what will you do if your finance door is close?
and the last thing
why and how can you get in top 30 or even top 10 if you don't know yourself well enough?
need to find out all these answers
MBA is terminal degree
it's the end when you finish it
Ph.D serves for totally different purposes
but there's 99% no overlap
[Career Explorer]各位大侠们，这年龄还值得出国吗???????????????
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=315999&star=1#2858132
Q:
32了，明年入学的时候都33了
现在的情况是，收入税前20万左右，有房无女朋友（刚分）
家里高压让尽快找女朋友，GMAT刚准备一个多月，如无意外 TOP 20 很有希望
这种情况下还值得折腾吗，各位神仙给给意见啊。复习的时候突然开始很怀疑这个选择
A:
it's still a decent age
and you might find a good gf abroad
but you can't know about top 20 only after a month of GMAT
score is only 20%
while it's very true like Littleca said
what's your MBA motivation and why it's relevant to your career
Q:
32了，明年入学的时候都33了
现在的情况是，收入税前20万左右，有房无女朋友（刚分）
家里高压让尽快找女朋友，GMAT刚准备一个多月，如无意外 TOP 20 很有希望
这种情况下还值得折腾吗，各位神仙给给意见啊。复习的时候突然开始很怀疑这个选择
A:
it's still a decent age
and you might find a good gf abroad
but you can't know about top 20 only after a month of GMAT
score is only 20%
while it's very true like Littleca said
what's your MBA motivation and why it's relevant to your career
2008年4月4日 星期五
[Program Fitting]也是关于Offer的选择，广纳良言！IU, WUSTL, W&M (v)
Q:
目前有三个Offer：
Mason (William & Mary): 两年一共接近5万的奖+4k GA, 基本上学费花不了太多，虽然是个不错的大学，但MBA实力不太强，所以准备拒掉;
Olin（Washington University) 15k/Yr:
Finance这个concentration比较强，而且有部分奖学金可以减少经济压力;
Kelley (Indianan University) 无奖：
整体MBA排名高于Olin，Corporate Finance也不错，而且氛围比较好，Bloomington环境可能好于St louis。
我之前一直做finance，毕业以后也还是会继续做这个方向。目前的想法是post-MBA第一选择是consulting firm做financial service, 二是还像以前一样，在公司里做finance。最近一直也在和朋友讨论选择Olin和Kelley，总得来说是一个档次的学校，但又各有些优势，所以希望了解这两个学校的CDer提供点建议。多谢！
A:
Olin虽然与Kelley排名档次接近
但Kelley的综合实力还是全国性名校
Olin虽然奋力往全国性商学院迈进
但目前还是停留在区域性学校
即使Olin财务课程完整
Kelley的财务也是还是竞争力稍微强大
主要差别在于学生素质与雇主亲睐
可以看学校公布的就业状况
Kelley的就业率比Olin稍为全国性
虽然两所学校的财务与顾问比例相当接近
财务工作三成五
顾问工作一成
但Kelley在这两项的薪水都较Olin高
尤其顾问业Kelley薪资较Olin高出一万五
而Kelley就业率虽多在中西部
但其他区域仍均匀分布
反观Olin虽也多在中西部
但其他区域就显的较为稀疏
W&M的课程训练很扎实
但停留在区域性
并没有往全国性发展
因此排名有一些差距
原则上financial service不会在consulting firm里
而会在Financial service companies
consulting firm要的几乎都是纯consultant
而consultant中的其中一项关键工具是financial tools
[Program Fitting]选校求助：brandeis 60%TW vs Purdue maybe no money
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=315046&star=2#2853918
Q:
更新一下，收到了purdue的GA（每周工作10小时，据说每年给$6200但是要扣税）和每年$6000的奖，好象基本每个录取的都给了这种奖，加起来相当于38%的免学费，但是个人更偏向于boston的氛围啊，还是比较注重享受的人-_-，在伤心咖啡馆上面看到purdue因为太荒凉了在chicago好象国际学生比较很难找到工作，怎么办呢？是选择排名还是地理位置啊？
A:location对MBA只会有两成影响
其他七成都在学校声誉,课程与软硬件资源,师生竞争力与扎实训练
即使地点再好
学校差连面试机会都没有
不是说Brandeis不好
而是他顶多是区域性学校
排名及各项资源都相差Purdue甚远
Purdue是全国性甚至国际知名的学校
相当同意CD_ADDICT
不要因为省小钱而亏大钱
Q:
更新一下，收到了purdue的GA（每周工作10小时，据说每年给$6200但是要扣税）和每年$6000的奖，好象基本每个录取的都给了这种奖，加起来相当于38%的免学费，但是个人更偏向于boston的氛围啊，还是比较注重享受的人-_-，在伤心咖啡馆上面看到purdue因为太荒凉了在chicago好象国际学生比较很难找到工作，怎么办呢？是选择排名还是地理位置啊？
A:location对MBA只会有两成影响
其他七成都在学校声誉,课程与软硬件资源,师生竞争力与扎实训练
即使地点再好
学校差连面试机会都没有
不是说Brandeis不好
而是他顶多是区域性学校
排名及各项资源都相差Purdue甚远
Purdue是全国性甚至国际知名的学校
相当同意CD_ADDICT
不要因为省小钱而亏大钱
[Career Explorer]牛校mba可否帮助转换职场方向 (v)
Q:
小女子刚刚拿到美国金融硕士，不幸赶上金融风波，金融工作无着，面临人生道路选择，恳请各位，尤其是有相似经验的大侠们不吝赐教：
选择一：在美国随便找份工作，拿两年工作经验，转而申请牛校MBA，出来进入金融领域工作疑惑：1.美国MBA牛校是否重视你是否在有名的公司工作？他们如何判断你有潜在的领导才能？ 2.如果我MBA前的经验和金融完全不相关，比如教育、或者在实验室工作，那么即使拿到了牛校的MBA文凭，找金融工作的时候是否依然不具备竞争力（比如你的同学具有相关背景的）呢？
选择二：回国，尽量找份金融类型的工作，拿两年经验，转而申请牛校MBA，出来进入金融领域工作疑惑：1.美国MBA牛校是否平等看待不同国家的工作经验？还是具有倾向性？ 2.各位拿到牛校MBA OFFER的大牛们在签证的时候，是否有过被拒的经历呢？因为听说工作过两三年，单身的女子，是被拒的重点；又听说，拿到牛校offer的牛们鲜有被拒的，于是非常的迷惑。
多谢指点，跪谢啊跪谢
A:
這裡有幾個假設可能會有一些問題
讓我們一個一個來看
首先是選擇一成立的可能性不大
申請牛校主要的錄取關鍵是看在個人生涯的邏輯性
申請時學校會看為什麼申請人有金融碩士卻做了一個不相干的工作
即使是Fortune前百大之類的大公司
還是要解釋為什麼會選擇這樣的工作
抉擇的邏輯及工作內容對申請人的未來目標有何密切關聯
疑惑一裡所講的領導潛能是可以從後天培養
但需要申請人自行證明有領導能力
並須清楚定義出個人領導特性為何 跟學校的領導訓練如何接軌
疑惑二是樓主目前的主要關鍵
就是生涯方向選擇需要細部釐清
目前有一個有點危及的狀況是樓主可能本身對金融並沒有太大興趣
若是因為這樣 會建議儘早找出興趣後轉行
因為對金融若缺乏興趣卻硬要走 多半狀況是沒多久就倦怠
這樣只會是短期工作 不是長期生涯事業
這部份可以私下談
或許可以幫您從生涯經歷跟脈絡找出激情
若是回國工作再申請
問題也是回到能否解釋出來由
為什麼要回國而不在美國
又這對您的長程規劃有何關聯
而為什麼會需要MBA
MBA人人都能念
但要念牛校要能夠解釋出生涯目標的邏輯性
並由生涯經歷中證明方向清晰
因此簡歷會是重要的參考依據
只有清晰地展現穩定的成就路線
明確定義出未來目標後
發現需要MBA並詳細解釋需求內容
學校才會因為能夠為學校及申請人都創造極大價值
而錄取申請人
小女子刚刚拿到美国金融硕士，不幸赶上金融风波，金融工作无着，面临人生道路选择，恳请各位，尤其是有相似经验的大侠们不吝赐教：
选择一：在美国随便找份工作，拿两年工作经验，转而申请牛校MBA，出来进入金融领域工作疑惑：1.美国MBA牛校是否重视你是否在有名的公司工作？他们如何判断你有潜在的领导才能？ 2.如果我MBA前的经验和金融完全不相关，比如教育、或者在实验室工作，那么即使拿到了牛校的MBA文凭，找金融工作的时候是否依然不具备竞争力（比如你的同学具有相关背景的）呢？
选择二：回国，尽量找份金融类型的工作，拿两年经验，转而申请牛校MBA，出来进入金融领域工作疑惑：1.美国MBA牛校是否平等看待不同国家的工作经验？还是具有倾向性？ 2.各位拿到牛校MBA OFFER的大牛们在签证的时候，是否有过被拒的经历呢？因为听说工作过两三年，单身的女子，是被拒的重点；又听说，拿到牛校offer的牛们鲜有被拒的，于是非常的迷惑。
多谢指点，跪谢啊跪谢
A:
這裡有幾個假設可能會有一些問題
讓我們一個一個來看
首先是選擇一成立的可能性不大
申請牛校主要的錄取關鍵是看在個人生涯的邏輯性
申請時學校會看為什麼申請人有金融碩士卻做了一個不相干的工作
即使是Fortune前百大之類的大公司
還是要解釋為什麼會選擇這樣的工作
抉擇的邏輯及工作內容對申請人的未來目標有何密切關聯
疑惑一裡所講的領導潛能是可以從後天培養
但需要申請人自行證明有領導能力
並須清楚定義出個人領導特性為何 跟學校的領導訓練如何接軌
疑惑二是樓主目前的主要關鍵
就是生涯方向選擇需要細部釐清
目前有一個有點危及的狀況是樓主可能本身對金融並沒有太大興趣
若是因為這樣 會建議儘早找出興趣後轉行
因為對金融若缺乏興趣卻硬要走 多半狀況是沒多久就倦怠
這樣只會是短期工作 不是長期生涯事業
這部份可以私下談
或許可以幫您從生涯經歷跟脈絡找出激情
若是回國工作再申請
問題也是回到能否解釋出來由
為什麼要回國而不在美國
又這對您的長程規劃有何關聯
而為什麼會需要MBA
MBA人人都能念
但要念牛校要能夠解釋出生涯目標的邏輯性
並由生涯經歷中證明方向清晰
因此簡歷會是重要的參考依據
只有清晰地展現穩定的成就路線
明確定義出未來目標後
發現需要MBA並詳細解釋需求內容
學校才會因為能夠為學校及申請人都創造極大價值
而錄取申請人
[Program Fitting]帮忙选校： BU， KELLEY， PURDUE
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=315366&star=2#2853858
Q:
拿了几个弱offer，头痛中， 大家看看1. BU，基本免学费，自己出生活费 2万/年2. Kelley，没奖3.Purdue， 免学费，GA什么的给了一堆，反正邮件里说每年800块就够了，基本不花啥钱最喜欢kelley，但是没钱，贷款的话可能不好签证，所以去的希望不大。比较头疼的是bu和purdue，似乎purdue排名高些，但是BW和usnews上的就业数据两个学校差不多，bu甚至更好一点。有没有人了解具体情况出来解释一下？本人背景：4yrs w/e, IT，希望转行做consulting
A:
这两间给奖是有原因的
Kelley是三间里最强的学校
而且是非常强
排名虽然只差几名可是在业界名声差很多
同学前后左右都是天才
训练也最扎实严谨
课程编排环环相扣
是策略管理类学校的经典
要进consulting大概只有这间的扎实度才进的去
即使签证有风险也要冲冲看
真的不行再考虑其他
它们还是会给奖的
BU课程很基本 比较适合入门级
BU靠地利进顾问业都是老美
还没听说有华人只留学BU就进consulting (如果有还请告知小弟)
Purdue课程比较学术
不少是研究类课程
没有那么商业
出来能找到工作的还是Kelley的高步调训练比较有用
出来要是能在美国工作
两三年就会赚回来
很值得的
其他两间出来大概九成要回国
现在美国工作不好找
Q:
拿了几个弱offer，头痛中， 大家看看1. BU，基本免学费，自己出生活费 2万/年2. Kelley，没奖3.Purdue， 免学费，GA什么的给了一堆，反正邮件里说每年800块就够了，基本不花啥钱最喜欢kelley，但是没钱，贷款的话可能不好签证，所以去的希望不大。比较头疼的是bu和purdue，似乎purdue排名高些，但是BW和usnews上的就业数据两个学校差不多，bu甚至更好一点。有没有人了解具体情况出来解释一下？本人背景：4yrs w/e, IT，希望转行做consulting
A:
这两间给奖是有原因的
Kelley是三间里最强的学校
而且是非常强
排名虽然只差几名可是在业界名声差很多
同学前后左右都是天才
训练也最扎实严谨
课程编排环环相扣
是策略管理类学校的经典
要进consulting大概只有这间的扎实度才进的去
即使签证有风险也要冲冲看
真的不行再考虑其他
它们还是会给奖的
BU课程很基本 比较适合入门级
BU靠地利进顾问业都是老美
还没听说有华人只留学BU就进consulting (如果有还请告知小弟)
Purdue课程比较学术
不少是研究类课程
没有那么商业
出来能找到工作的还是Kelley的高步调训练比较有用
出来要是能在美国工作
两三年就会赚回来
很值得的
其他两间出来大概九成要回国
现在美国工作不好找
2008年4月2日 星期三
[Program Fitting]Olin vs Notre Dame
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=314945&star=2#2850921
Q:
Olin with half-tuition scholarship, still need RMB 200,000 per year
Notre Dame with 35,000 USD, need RMB 100,000 per year.
I plan to focus on Finance or Marketing for MBA and work in U.S. or Canada after graduation.
Thank you for your advice!
A:
Olin's program is more for advanced managers that the program is more sophisticated and extensive
http://www.olin.wustl.edu/MBA/Academics/index.cfm?sid=48&tid=59
Notre Dame is more for entry-level that the curriculum and concentrations are quite fundamental and have major improvement opportunity
http://www.nd.edu/~mba/academics/twoYear/concentrationTracks.shtml
you can see Notre Dame's program is not that complete
even the most demostrative marketing is short of some key elements
such as the most critical core in marketing are missing: market research and consumer behavior, CRM, Channel Management, Pricing, and marketing communication.
Although St. Louis City is not good in terms of security
they have the segregation program that many white St. Louisans live in better-off south St. Louis City or have moved into the better-off suburbs (so-called white flight).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_social_issues_of_St._Louis,_Missouri
http://safety.fizber.com/Missouri/St-Louis-County-Sheriff/
South Bend, Indiana where U of Notre Dame located is not good, either, and is catching up in crime rate
http://safety.fizber.com/Indiana/South-Bend/
just stay in safer area where white people reside, and stay away from the high crime rate area. It's the same rule with any other part of the States.
while St. Louis County is the safest place in the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_County,_Missouri
Q:
Olin with half-tuition scholarship, still need RMB 200,000 per year
Notre Dame with 35,000 USD, need RMB 100,000 per year.
I plan to focus on Finance or Marketing for MBA and work in U.S. or Canada after graduation.
Thank you for your advice!
A:
Olin's program is more for advanced managers that the program is more sophisticated and extensive
http://www.olin.wustl.edu/MBA/Academics/index.cfm?sid=48&tid=59
Notre Dame is more for entry-level that the curriculum and concentrations are quite fundamental and have major improvement opportunity
http://www.nd.edu/~mba/academics/twoYear/concentrationTracks.shtml
you can see Notre Dame's program is not that complete
even the most demostrative marketing is short of some key elements
such as the most critical core in marketing are missing: market research and consumer behavior, CRM, Channel Management, Pricing, and marketing communication.
Although St. Louis City is not good in terms of security
they have the segregation program that many white St. Louisans live in better-off south St. Louis City or have moved into the better-off suburbs (so-called white flight).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_social_issues_of_St._Louis,_Missouri
http://safety.fizber.com/Missouri/St-Louis-County-Sheriff/
South Bend, Indiana where U of Notre Dame located is not good, either, and is catching up in crime rate
http://safety.fizber.com/Indiana/South-Bend/
just stay in safer area where white people reside, and stay away from the high crime rate area. It's the same rule with any other part of the States.
while St. Louis County is the safest place in the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_County,_Missouri
2008年4月1日 星期二
[Personal Branding]An inspiration from "older" applicant
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=13&ID=314961&page=1
Q:
Male 35 >age>40; married & two sons ;Under top10 in China;Ph.D from US University almost ten years ago;GMAT 740(50/40); TOEFL waiveredPick up GMAT last July (15 y after GRE), take test on Oct30; then apply R2 (Jan round)Rejected by Ross & Columbia without interviews;Rejetced by Yale & Emory after interviews;Accepted by Cornell/AMBA, UNC, & Vandy ($35k/y)
A:
All due respect
The reasons for rejections may lie in why you want an MBA after a Ph.D
what happend in these 10 years, and why it led you to this point for an MBA
since with your superior package, which includes 10+ years work experience, a U.S. Ph.D, and a 740 GMAT
it should be frankly easy to get admitted in top 10
probably you can share more and we can find out the problem together
Q:
Male 35 >age>40; married & two sons ;Under top10 in China;Ph.D from US University almost ten years ago;GMAT 740(50/40); TOEFL waiveredPick up GMAT last July (15 y after GRE), take test on Oct30; then apply R2 (Jan round)Rejected by Ross & Columbia without interviews;Rejetced by Yale & Emory after interviews;Accepted by Cornell/AMBA, UNC, & Vandy ($35k/y)
A:
All due respect
The reasons for rejections may lie in why you want an MBA after a Ph.D
what happend in these 10 years, and why it led you to this point for an MBA
since with your superior package, which includes 10+ years work experience, a U.S. Ph.D, and a 740 GMAT
it should be frankly easy to get admitted in top 10
probably you can share more and we can find out the problem together
[BW Forum]Chinese Ask David
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=75186
All due respect. It's not only about the best school offers, it's about your career fit through your MBA. Find out your REAL LIFE career through "3 CAREER ELEMENTS": Passion, Characteristics, and Professional Capabilities. Then find out your FIT MBA accordingly.
MBA Career Consultant for 3 years, Scholarship Committee from top MBA in international field, 3,000 articles in Taiwan and China MBA forums regarding career pathing, curriculum fitting, and personal branding. Consulted 700+ Chinese MBA applicants to find out career passions, and those who later attended their ture fit in top 20 U.S. MBA. Clients also from different cultures including Indian, Korean, Japanese, Thai, and also American.
Personal experience struggled through sales, marketing, market research, and operations functions, in IT, media, telecom, and traditional industries, both in B2B and B2C channels, then found my life-long passion as a career consultant through my MBA. So well familiar with MBA logic on career management. Key MNC experience including IBM, HP, Cisco, and TIME Inc. in global or regional scope.
Just realized here is the real major league and the articles can benefit people from other parts of the world, while we can all learn more from more diverse perspectives.
Please share your brief situation, and I'll try my best to help you on career pathing, curriculum selection, personal branding for your true career-fit MBA.
P.S.
Previous articles on this forum: http://mbacareerfitter.blogspot.com/search/label/David
Bilingual website under construction.
Blogger: http://mbacareerfitter.blogspot.com/
email: davidlee0222big1@gmail.com
Sincerely,
David
All due respect. It's not only about the best school offers, it's about your career fit through your MBA. Find out your REAL LIFE career through "3 CAREER ELEMENTS": Passion, Characteristics, and Professional Capabilities. Then find out your FIT MBA accordingly.
MBA Career Consultant for 3 years, Scholarship Committee from top MBA in international field, 3,000 articles in Taiwan and China MBA forums regarding career pathing, curriculum fitting, and personal branding. Consulted 700+ Chinese MBA applicants to find out career passions, and those who later attended their ture fit in top 20 U.S. MBA. Clients also from different cultures including Indian, Korean, Japanese, Thai, and also American.
Personal experience struggled through sales, marketing, market research, and operations functions, in IT, media, telecom, and traditional industries, both in B2B and B2C channels, then found my life-long passion as a career consultant through my MBA. So well familiar with MBA logic on career management. Key MNC experience including IBM, HP, Cisco, and TIME Inc. in global or regional scope.
Just realized here is the real major league and the articles can benefit people from other parts of the world, while we can all learn more from more diverse perspectives.
Please share your brief situation, and I'll try my best to help you on career pathing, curriculum selection, personal branding for your true career-fit MBA.
P.S.
Previous articles on this forum: http://mbacareerfitter.blogspot.com/search/label/David
Bilingual website under construction.
Blogger: http://mbacareerfitter.blogspot.com/
email: davidlee0222big1@gmail.com
Sincerely,
David
[Program Fitting]该选哪个offer？？？谢谢各位提供意见(2)
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=314761&star=2#2849068
Q:
该选哪个offer？？？谢谢各位提供意见
１。Boston University : 扣除奖学金后，自费４万／２年。优势：（１）喜欢学校的位置，可能以后方便找工作 （２）我公司在美国有offices, boston 有个挺大的事业部，但是没人保证我毕业一定进我们公司波士顿的office
劣势：要自费４万
2. 。Penn state univ (滨州州立大学，注明：不是沃顿）：有GA, 学费全免，每月还有６００补助？？？
优势：不用给钱读书 劣势：学校地理位置比不上波士顿
３。Washington Univ in St. luis (Olin): 拿了５０％奖学金，打算据掉，所以基本不考虑了 （我这个想法对么？）
可以申请公司赞助１万，但是不知道结果如何及要附加什么条件。如果条件多多，我不打算要。如果没啥特别条件，就要。
毕业后有两种想法
（１）留美，做financial management, 我现在就做这个（２）进在香港，新加坡的IB 或者中国的基金公司（原因：估计美国的进不了），对这个兴趣大些
我马上要答复学校了，谢谢各位的意见！！！
A:
BU has fairly limited finance program
only offer 11 courses in finance concentration, and quite fundamental
whereas Olin offers more than double, 25 courses
you can see the courses are much more sophisticated and well-rounded
then you may have less to prove what you've learned from BU when you interview
BU is ranked 40 in US NEWS by specialty in Finance
Olin is ranked 25
PSU is also around 40
Olin's Finance
http://www.olin.wustl.edu/MBA/Academics/index.cfm?sid=48&tid=59#concentrations
Advanced Corporate Finance I - Valuation
Advanced Corporate Finance II - Financing
Advanced Corporate Finance III - Frontiers of Valuation
Advanced Derivative Securities
Data Analysis for Investments
Derivative Securities
Financial Institutions
Financial Intermediation
Financial Issues in Leasing
Financial Markets
Fixed-Income Securities
International Finance
International Financial Markets and Institutions (offered in Summer London Program)
Investment Banking
Investments PraxisInvestment Theory
Mergers and Acquisitions
Mortgage-Backed Securities
Options & Futures
Real Estate FinanceReal Option Valuation
Risk Management
Venture Capital and Private Equity
BU's Finance
http://management.bu.edu/gpo/fulltime/mba/curriculum/courses.html#FINANCE
FE814: Intellectual Property and Business Strategy
FE815: Competitive Decision Making
FE820: Corporate Financial Management
FE821: Advanced Corporate Finance
FE822: Fixed Income Markets
FE825: Advanced Topics in Investments
FE827: International Financial Management
FE827: International Financial Management
FE829: Futures, Options & Financial Risk Management
FE848: Real Options in Valuation, Risk Management, and Strategy
FE850: Private Equity: Leveraged Buyouts
Q:
该选哪个offer？？？谢谢各位提供意见
１。Boston University : 扣除奖学金后，自费４万／２年。优势：（１）喜欢学校的位置，可能以后方便找工作 （２）我公司在美国有offices, boston 有个挺大的事业部，但是没人保证我毕业一定进我们公司波士顿的office
劣势：要自费４万
2. 。Penn state univ (滨州州立大学，注明：不是沃顿）：有GA, 学费全免，每月还有６００补助？？？
优势：不用给钱读书 劣势：学校地理位置比不上波士顿
３。Washington Univ in St. luis (Olin): 拿了５０％奖学金，打算据掉，所以基本不考虑了 （我这个想法对么？）
可以申请公司赞助１万，但是不知道结果如何及要附加什么条件。如果条件多多，我不打算要。如果没啥特别条件，就要。
毕业后有两种想法
（１）留美，做financial management, 我现在就做这个（２）进在香港，新加坡的IB 或者中国的基金公司（原因：估计美国的进不了），对这个兴趣大些
我马上要答复学校了，谢谢各位的意见！！！
A:
BU has fairly limited finance program
only offer 11 courses in finance concentration, and quite fundamental
whereas Olin offers more than double, 25 courses
you can see the courses are much more sophisticated and well-rounded
then you may have less to prove what you've learned from BU when you interview
BU is ranked 40 in US NEWS by specialty in Finance
Olin is ranked 25
PSU is also around 40
Olin's Finance
http://www.olin.wustl.edu/MBA/Academics/index.cfm?sid=48&tid=59#concentrations
Advanced Corporate Finance I - Valuation
Advanced Corporate Finance II - Financing
Advanced Corporate Finance III - Frontiers of Valuation
Advanced Derivative Securities
Data Analysis for Investments
Derivative Securities
Financial Institutions
Financial Intermediation
Financial Issues in Leasing
Financial Markets
Fixed-Income Securities
International Finance
International Financial Markets and Institutions (offered in Summer London Program)
Investment Banking
Investments PraxisInvestment Theory
Mergers and Acquisitions
Mortgage-Backed Securities
Options & Futures
Real Estate FinanceReal Option Valuation
Risk Management
Venture Capital and Private Equity
BU's Finance
http://management.bu.edu/gpo/fulltime/mba/curriculum/courses.html#FINANCE
FE814: Intellectual Property and Business Strategy
FE815: Competitive Decision Making
FE820: Corporate Financial Management
FE821: Advanced Corporate Finance
FE822: Fixed Income Markets
FE825: Advanced Topics in Investments
FE827: International Financial Management
FE827: International Financial Management
FE829: Futures, Options & Financial Risk Management
FE848: Real Options in Valuation, Risk Management, and Strategy
FE850: Private Equity: Leveraged Buyouts
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