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2008年3月31日 星期一
[Program Fitting]有关选校,诚请各位高手提供意见!
Q:
有关选校,诚请各位高手提供意见!
我的背景是生物博士后。今年申请MBA, 得到Penn State和 Hult的offer,不知选择哪一个,具体利弊如下:
Penn State: 学校较好,可惜要两年才能毕业,且奖学金不多。觉得有些浪费时间,但找工可能会有利些。
Hult:学校没名气, 但一年即可毕业,奖学金差不多。时间短,但找工可能会有不利。
万分感谢!
A:
Penn State is much more decent in MBA league
and at least in major job arena
Hult may be less competitive against Penn State
one year program may also have some pros and cons
pro is to get out faster
the major con is not learning much
[Program Fitting]该选哪个offer???BU, PSU, WUSL
Q:
该选哪个offer???谢谢各位提供意见
1。Boston University : 扣除奖学金后,自费4万/2年。优势:(1)喜欢学校的位置,可能以后方便找工作 (2)我公司在美国有offices, boston 有个挺大的事业部,但是没人保证我毕业一定进我们公司波士顿的office
劣势:要自费4万
2. 。Penn state univ (滨州州立大学,注明:不是沃顿):有GA, 学费全免,每月还有600补助???
优势:不用给钱读书 劣势:学校地理位置比不上波士顿
3。Washington Univ in St. luis (Olin): 拿了50%奖学金,打算据掉,所以基本不考虑了 (我这个想法对么?)
可以申请公司赞助1万,但是不知道结果如何及要附加什么条件。如果条件多多,我不打算要。如果没啥特别条件,就要。
毕业后有两种想法
(1)留美,做financial management, 我现在就做这个(2)进在香港,新加坡的IB 或者中国的基金公司(原因:估计美国的进不了),对这个兴趣大些
我马上要答复学校了,谢谢各位的意见!!!
A:
Olin is the best school out of these three
its finance program is extensively solid and sophisticated if you take a closer look
well-rounded in every detail of finance
it's competency could almost be equivalent to the other 2 programs combined
2008年3月28日 星期五
[Program Fitting]URGENT-BABSON VS UNIV OF FLORIDA
Q:
Hello
I have been admitted to the MBA programs at Babson (Boston) and UF (Warrington at Florida)
Please help me decide which one I should take (both are 1 year MBA programs)
Profile - GMAT 6XX, greater than 3 years exp in sales (outside US)
Target - marketing position after MBA in USA
Advantages of Florida = higher ranked (rank 37 in US news ) / marketing program is ranked 15 (in US news) / lesser costs
Disadvantages of Florida = since i want to work in the US, not a very strong job market for MBAs in florida
Advantage of Babson = good brand / boston is a good market for mbas
Disadvantages of Babson = higher costs / known only for entrepreneurship
Since the economy is weak , i am not sure whether an international will find a job in US next year .. so i might have to go back to my home country and this will make it difficult to pay the student loans
PLEASE ADVICE URENTLY
A:
although Babson is the best for entrepreneur, you can see why in their very sophisticated program design, it's at least 3 to 4 levels more advanced than UF, no matter in marketing, finance, operation, leadership...etc., whereas UF is not particularly weak but mostly fundamental generals in all fields. But it's good for entry-level, though.
sorry for being quite bias here, my sister graduated from UF and it's a great school. But if you're going to marketing, you'll meet lots of well-seasoned entrepreneurs with tons of real-life marketing experience, and believe me, as an entrepreneur myself also, you'll know how hard is the real-world marketing, also you learn about 30 times deeper than those fundamentals, while the subjects are still the same.
go for the more experienced, way more sophisticated curriculum design, and also more down-to-earth network. it'll worth it.
[Program Fitting]IU, OSU, MSU
Q:
Hi Guys,
Its that time of making choices. I have been accepted at following schools
IU - Good ranking, great marketing program, waiting for schol info
OSU - great resources, strong ops and logistics, waiting for schol info
MSU- great supply chain and ops, bad location, full schol + stipend
Vandy - great finance, good location, 30k schol
I am an engineer and most likely want to do operations and finance...
Any suggestions are appreciated...
My profile 700/5yrs WE-Automotive/Operations & Finance major.
A:
Hi Harry
For some reasons, I believe your decision doesn't lie in these schools or which one has the best fin or ops or whatever it is. All 4 schools have totally different career paths for you. The main criteria is why and how do you need your fin and ops based on you 5 yr engineer background. It depends heavily on where exactly are you heading for, and what specific parts do you need from either fin or ops. How do you weight them and why.
Why would you like to go operation and finance as an engineer? these are totally 3 different planets. I believe the reason lies within your original rationale and it must be a good one, and it'll definitely be your criteria to choose these schools from. What's your goals and career paths look like?
IU has almost the best marketing strategy curriculum in the league, while it's really shining on this field that it's easy to overlook its strong finance. While Vandy does have almost 2 levels more sophisticated courses than Kelley, Vandy goes to experiencial and higher academic finance.
For the supply Chain and operations, OSU connects more completely toward the front end and market-oriented, and it's harder and tougher to balance through the value chain. But there's a weird part that MSU although has a better reputation on supply chain and ops, the courses seems smaller selection than Fisher.
But all these are only the school part. All that matter is where exactly are you going? what kind of combination or mixture do you need on fin and ops, and why that mix will help you achieve your career in which field? the school selection should be based more specifically on what elements do you need and why, not from any rank or vote.
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2008年3月27日 星期四
[網站]新網站建置中
如果只靠申請學校這行來吃飯已經算是進入淡季
但好消息是即使是淡季
許多朋友還是來自四方洽詢服務
主要還是生涯管理是不分四季滴
哇哈哈
就像不知哪位大企業家的至理名言
"沒有不景氣,只有不爭氣!"
部落格免費又方便是沒錯
但是就是不太正式
來自各方的朋友很多都看過小弟部落格
但沒幾個知道小弟有在做服務說~orz
又有個不大又不小的問題
就是即使是谷歌這樣世界級的大站
大陸似乎還是不容易看到
所以還要再架一個大陸看的到的部落格
或許是新浪 因為很多影歌星都是用新浪的啦~~
小弟的服務網站目前正在建置中
還請各方朋友稍加等待
要咬著牙根喔~
阿~給它咬下去!
[談判]終於讓老闆點頭辦H1B嚕
從談實習到拿offer
到談薪水談分帳到正式透過律師辦H1B工作簽證
達到一個皆大歡喜的平衡點
只能說談判實在太重要啦~
目前律師手續還沒完全完成
但已經只差簽字跟幾個小手續
其他都已經大致完成
但是行百里者半九十
要堅持到最後一秒才算數
我是李小衛
[Career Explorer]无工作经验读全奖的mba还是有意义的?
Q:
只是想个各位CDer们讨论一下,自己已经拿到了好几家mba的TA。学校排名不高60-100名之间,自己还要补1万刀的其他花费吧。位置在美国中部,南部。大家对无工作经验读后的前景都不太看好,我还是会去读的。我感觉美国既然是一个melting pot,只要有心是会融入这个社会的。我去后打算去在学习上读双学位或者读cpa,工作上intern尽量弥补一下自己的短板,多收集信息,争取工作。
学校排不进综合100,如果工作在家那里起薪也就3-4万,感觉有机会出去比现在留在国内好。
A:
most of time it's in reverse
the more experience, the more competitive you are
then the top schools will consider your package more solid
mba is not a teaching process, it's a refining process
it refines your experience to a more advanced level
the more experience you have, the refining can be more thorough
if you don't have experience at all
it's just like brewing an empty container
you may probably get very little crystal
the average salary is for graduates who already have 5 years experience before
and most of them are American
it might not reflect what you'll earn if don't have similar experience level
it's really hard to even get a job as a foreigner now
even in top 20
2008年3月26日 星期三
[Career Explorer]我是问题大全:GPA低2.5,工作经验短一年半,辞职备考有GAP
Q:
大学是211外语院校,大学荒废gpa2.5,学校比较严格,据说不能删除成绩不好的科目。
工作1年半,第一个工作公司不正规,8个月时辞职。第二个工作是外企协会,做两个部门总监的助理,干了一年,其间机遇不错,得到给500强企业的销售人员做职业道德培训的机会,这可能是工作经验中唯一的亮点了。
但由于每个周末都飞各个城市培训,搞的我身体很疲惫并且根本没有时间复习GT。所以头脑一热在年前辞了职,准备专心备考,争取用好的GT成绩弥补GPA的不足。6月的G,7月的T。如果考完再找个工作的话,中间也出现了8个月的GAP。
另:本来打算自己出去,后来BF怕我出去后两个人会分开,毅然决定和我一起出国,要知道,他中科院工科硕士马上毕业,但是美国不承认中国的硕士,他出去意味着还要读5年的书,他家里穷,本想国内硕士毕业后工作挣钱的---总之,他为了我牺牲了很多。这时候问题又来了,他读5年,我2年,如果我申不到好的学校,估计很难毕业后在那边找到工作,那样的话我们就又要分开了,而且这次分开是三年!
至此,坛子里面问的最多的问题基本上都集中到我的身上了。
哈哈,人生啊~~
发此贴的目的一是鼓励那些因为各种问题而郁闷的同志,小妹我这样还继续在这条路上坚定地走着,因为相信自己的能力,因为心里,还有希望;二是求高人指点迷津,现在除了复习GT,我还应该做点,申请什么RANK的学校比较靠谱,什么以后的路,怎样才能走得更顺利。
真诚地谢谢大家~
A:
why mba?
you won't get another promotion due to any degree
the only way is to find your passion and stick to it
job also depends on characteristics
if you feel boring about the routine task
you should find some way out
but mba alone won't help you on that
since you'll still don't know where to go
find out your underlying drivers for management and market or PR
define specifically
make it realistic
and then improve yourself
it doesn't necessarily be mba
find out your real reasons
it's not sustainable so far
btw, the work experience is way too short
if you don't know much about business and management yet
then you won't learn much
[Program Fitting]可以給我學校一些意見嗎?(我想审请耶鲁)
Q:
大家好, 我明年想审请MBA, 可以給我學校一些意見嗎?
因为我对MBA的审请不了解,请大家给我点议见。
我的背景:
Birth:1981
education:
1)BSc in Computing Science from UK (pass with 1st class)
2)Msc in Telecommunication from UK
Working Experience(3.5 years):
1) Engineer, A Telecomm Company (one of a telecom product Global Maket Leader) in UK, - 2 years
2) System Designer, Ericsson in Ireland -1years
3) Senior Designer, Ericssom in Swedeen (总部), 0.5 years- now
GMAT:
考了一次:710
我想审请耶鲁 或 与之相近的学校, 不知到有没有机会?
我还要加强哪些方面,才能审请到?
因为我对大学审请不了解,也不知到还有什么学校我能审请。
谢谢大家!
A:
pretty consistent career
just find out where are you heading for
and what part of mba do you need
then why yale
[Personal Branding]最后的UNC也被拒了,全军覆没。希望DX指点
Q:
我今年也是申请了5所学校, 最后一所UNC。全被据了。我的G-680, T-101,9年工作经验,还有6年Intel的工作经验。本以为能申请到一所学校。但是我想明年再试一次。希望DX们给些好的建议,以便提高明年申请的成功率。
A:
you need to explain "why you"
why this logic is particular for you
what's your personal characteristics, passion, skill sets, experience...etc.
everything
what part of business knowledge?
be very specific
why the industrialization of chip needs you here?
why not others?
and why you need this mba?
[Career Explorer]今年去念MBA的风险
Q:
已经拿了Offer,但是学费加两年的机会成本还是好大一笔投资啊!(当然好在美元现在贬的厉害 )
现在美国经济又不好,也不知道会衰退多久,等毕业了会不会很难找工作呢?
A:
[quote]以下是引用lshlcc在2008-3-23 22:04:00的发言:
取决于学校拉,经济再差,HBS,wharton等学校的学生还是找得到工作
如果学校不是那么好,就要考虑下了。不过前几年经济好的时候,排名不是那么靠前的MBA毕业生还是要回国工作。[/quote]
on the other hand, no matter how hot the economy is
graduates from these top of the tops can still get no jobs
and don't overreact to only one merger
of course it's a major one and has some chain reaction
but it won't crash the world
it's only one gazilla
the main issue is not about risk and economy
it's about why do you need this degree and what capabilities can you obtain "by yourself"
the economy won't exploit your job, but yourself will
[Program Fitting]谁知道美国比较好学校的MBA在美国就业的实际情况?
Q:
谁知道美国比较好学校的MBA在美国就业的实际情况?
各位,我正在准备申请MBA,有几个问题希望从大家那里得到更多的信息:
1.目前mba在美国毕业之后实际就业情况如何?
我听说,由于次债问题,美国经济形式不好。今年一些比较好的学校,例如michigan的MBA毕业之后,就业竞争都很激烈。虽然有面试,但是最终工作offer拿的不好,总体似乎很不乐观。
我希望能从大家那里得到更多一些的信息。
不知道有没有人目前正在美国准备毕业,或是手里掌握相关的一手资料,可以大家共享一下:
l 我关心的主要是关于一些比较好的学校,比如前10名左右的学校的MBA毕业后找工作的情况。
l 在毕业时大致就业比例,尤其是中国人的就业情况。
l 他们一般都就业在什么层次的公司。
l 中国MBA毕业生在找工作时,实际竞争力如何?
l 最好是自己的实际经历,或是认识的人的实际经历。
l 另外,不知道那些回国的师兄、师姐们,就业如何?或是去香港的就业情况如何?
主要问题是,MBA就业竞争力如何,中国的MBA就业竞争力如何?
2.工资待遇的问题
不知道目前如果留在美国,起薪情况,05年USNEWS的统计是8万左右,不知道今年的情况如何?
目前USNEWS的统计还没出来,另外,我比较关心的是来自中国的MBA,他们的就业待遇问题。
非常感谢
A:
job is a very individualized issue
classmates next to you get jobs doesn't mean you'll get one
the salary varies from cities and positions
and the most critical criteria is your own competitiveness
you only get what you negotiate, not what you deserve
so don't worry too much about those info
whether you'll get a job with what level of salary won't base on those
[Personal Branding]找NN看Profile
Q:
麻烦各位NN帮我把脉,并推荐合适的学校。先谢谢各位了!
GMAT 720 AWA 6.0 V36 (80%) M50 (95%) (De fracto 鸡肋, I wonder whether 720/6.0 is enough for TOP 10 MBA?)
TOEFL iBT 111
Bachelor (2002) of EE, Shanghai Jiaotong Univ, GPA 3.7
Master (2005) of EE, Shanghai Jiaotong Univ, GPA 4.0
3.5 year Application Engineer W/E in semiconductor industry, Fortune 500 American firm. Have published articles in trade journals and led customer projects to successful production
Extracurriculum: lead team to win electronic design contest, photograph (how would photograph serve a strength in my application?), also consider social volunteer work this year
The reason for MBA education is a switch of career -- by working as an application engineer, I've gained much experience in world wide collaboration and leading customer's project to mass production. At the same time, a great interest and enthusiam for business development and general management deeply root and burgeon. Without a well-rounded knowledge base and management experience, I find myself somewhat reaching a bottleneck for my career advancement.
As my interest in MBA education is general management, international business, and consulting, I'd sincerely appreciate anyone evaluate my profile and suggest b-schools. I am currently considering TOP 20, preferably TOP 10 if my profile looks competitive enough.
Thanks a million!
A:
quite conservitive about top 10
it's absolutely great to show your enthusiasm
but business development is too broad
you need to go at least 2 to 3 levels down to explain the details
general management is good but the same situation
and general management comflicts somewhat with consulting
also what exactly "a well-rounded knowledge base and management experience" is?
and what specific courses you need to take and why
you'll have to explain these details to get into those tops.
[Personal Branding]全军覆没
Q: 今天收到chicago的据信,心情即复杂又平淡。后面还有两所学校,不过到现在还没面试,应该是没希望的。回想自己申请的过程,的确也不能算非常投入。8月份决定申请,10月份考G,11月考T,1月份申请了4所M7的学校。自信心过于膨胀。。。呵呵到现在,chicago面试了却被ding了,wharton早就ding了,其他两个也是早晚的事情。看来还是技不如人呀。本来在申请的时候对自己还是很有信心的,时间的确紧了点,但是从各方面收集到的信息,加上自己的努力,感觉还是不错。直到申请完,看到CD上那么多牛人,才感叹自己投入实在太少。祝福这里所有追梦的人能梦想成真!
A:
why don't you share more details
and we can try to help you fix it
we can do more than just crying
you have total control of your lifes
failure is just a process, not only a consequence
but it'll become one if you let it
[Career Explorer]33岁出国读年龄是不是太大了啊
Q:
31岁了 ,年内才考完G,T,只能明年申请后年的MBA了,出去的时候已经33了,还值得读么,申请的时候是不是很不利啊,有经验的XDJM们说说啊
A:
you don't waste any second of your life
since you're experiencing every second of it
you breath, you eat, you sleep, and you work and study
it's fair since everyone has the same 24 hrs a day
33 is still a decent age for mba
emba is for senior executive, normally at their 50's
find out why you need mba
and find out what you can leverage from all the roads you walked through
[Personal Branding]A desperate student (v)
Q:
我是欲申請MBA的學生,目前仍就業,請有經驗 & 好心的前輩們幫我診斷一下我為什麼一直失敗? Would appreciate your kind advice.
Short-term goal: Marketing, Long-term: Work for the family business(Eletronic manufacturing)
R2: USC/ rejected directly U of Rochester/ interviewed / wait list Katz/ interviewed / rejected UCI/ interviewed / wait list UNC/ interviewed / rejected
R3: Smith MBA/ rejected directly
Q1. 今年我自己覺得可能面試表現不夠好,看了板主的面試文章,我覺得我準備不夠周全,但其實我自己面試了幾間,有一點經驗,後段的面試其實已作得不錯了,跟面試者還算相談甚歡。
A:
大約八到九成的申請人被拒都是前半學校被拒
後半學校錄取兩三間
會出現這樣骨牌連拒的不多
但可以看到在BW forum及CD上的連拒壯士幾乎都有共同特性
就是essay粗操浮面或是亂槍打鳥
問題出在essay是多講的
但essay問題主要不是出在essay本身
而是出在生涯管理失能
生涯方向模糊或明顯不合邏輯
過去經歷與未來方向沒有具體邏輯銜接或交代不清
甚至要回朔至大學主修
無法解釋轉折點及其對生涯與生命的意義
以及對MBA細部認知不足
導致essay中無法解釋細部MBA結合點與實際生涯應用
簡單說就是申請人讓招生委員感受到無頭蒼蠅或瞎子摸象
才會出現這樣的連拒骨牌現象
但經過仔細討論其實受拒者都有MBA動機及原因
只是或許還停留在潛意識裡 沒有進行深度挖掘
或是對MBA細部了解有限
即使有動機原因 在表達時也綁手綁腳
原則上學校都是愛高分的
這裡也沒有出現特別over-qualified的現象
七百多分四年半經驗頂多算前20%
會出現BU, Katz, UCI, UM都連續拒絕或WL的現象
原因已經跟文法或潤不潤稿沒有太大關連
口語程度也已經不是重點
托福能考到一百出頭 口語已經有一定水準
問題還是出在無法解釋動機與關連
才會直接被拒
雖沒有整體狀況很難判定
但可以初步看出樓主連續被拒的主要原因
生涯方向跳躍
選校邏輯也相當模糊
對於不易想像當兵的老美而言
仍至少能了解這是個義務
主要關鍵出在為何會從家族電子業轉去做物流
又為何突然出現這個時間點要念MBA而後要轉行銷的現象
而最終回到家族事業又是為了如何
這些跟樓主申請的學校相關性都有限
首先跟哥大幾乎無關
即便哥大創業資源強大
但並沒有看出樓主的強烈創業慾望
又自我認知,投入度,與精緻度等綜合競爭力還有一段差距
受拒很正常
Smith的數位產業定位鮮明
會需要樓主清晰表達出上述的生涯轉折邏輯
以及解釋細部課程結合才行
原則上只要能解釋出實際驅力與完整結合
高分會對學校是一大誘因
但若出現BU, Katz, UCI等綜合性學校的連拒
原則上就是基本動機有問題
以及對MBA的了解只停留在入門程度
原則上就是以長程目標的回歸家族而言
這個家族事業有哪些現程與未來問題需要解決
而樓主的經驗與能力有哪些需要提升以處理家族事業
又為何會中途出家進入物流
又為何MBA出來後短程要走行銷
而MBA之中要研讀哪些重點科目
這些科目跟長短程目標又有何相關
其他校風文化都只是副菜
可以接觸在校生或校友詢問
但主菜還是在教務長的執行方針與課程編排
沒有主菜 副菜吃再多也沒用
面試頂多占三成
只是透過互動方式了解申請人是否牛肉已準備好
重點是申請人本身動機與生涯歷程是否完整與邏輯清晰
學校只是學術訓練機構
核心價值還是在申請人本身的生涯發展
2008年3月20日 星期四
[Program Fitting]放弃现在的purdue,两年后申请MBA值不值? (v)
(本文為往年分析文)
我知道读hr,没有相关工作经验几乎是不可能在美国找得到工作的。毕业后一般是回国,但借着这个项目的reputation应该还是找得到好一点的工作的。
单看花费的话,读purdue的mshrm,大概30-40w,读mba的话40w+吧。
A:
樓主目前面臨三個問題:
一是無工作經驗競爭力有限 所以申請都被拒;
二是因為無工作經驗所以生涯方向不清,
在沒有確定生涯方向前,隨便念一個學位,畢業出來工作不用兩年,就會因為不符合興趣,而工作痛苦不堪。
屆時想轉職,又已經沒第二次進修機會,往後的三、四十年將會愁雲慘霧。
這是幾乎所有MBA畢業生的痛。
三是MBA不是一個目標,而是一個訓練過程。
畢業後,不論在美國或回國找工作,都不是看校名,而是看透過學校的訓練出來之後,你本身具備哪些能力,能夠執行工作職務。
這些MBA訓練是設計給工作五年的準經理來進修的。
工作經驗不足,即使HR出來,也不會有任何工作。
美國HR多半需要再考專業證照,且必須有當地文化與法律常識。
語言上也需要大密度溝通。
回國沒經驗,也不曉得HR要怎麼用,只好轉職。
又再回到上述的「沒有第二次進修機會」,無法培養再其他專業,往後三、四十年一樣回到愁雲慘霧。
又是所有留學MBA畢業生的另一個痛。
應該先工作三、五年後,等累積了足夠的商業運作經驗與競爭力,生涯方向自然會越來越明確,會逐漸知道自己熱情在哪,不然即便是現在貿然進行生涯諮詢,也會因為缺乏線索,而效果有限。當然筆者過去也曾成功諮商過尚未出社會的畢業生新鮮人,但是在個案已認真探索生涯問題多年後,才能有基本的成效。
好像閉著眼睛把命運交給別人決定,看哪個會上?
到時候資歷多了,自然有資歷線索可以探索。
年資與歷練是主要的競爭力條件,也自然會受學校青睞;
找到生涯熱情的志業,自然會越做越開心,也越有成就,自然會有工作前景,公司也才會要你來解決經營難題。
[Career Explorer]Stanford/Harvard/Wharton/Columbia录取
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=302514&star=17#2827584
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能在一轮里得到4所学校的录取,自己认为一方面是明确了读书的理由并在申请的每个环节一以贯之;一方面是很早就充分制定了自己的申请策略并动手实施。这两点说起来都很普通,但也确实是我感受最深最希望和大家分享的。。能在一轮里得到4所学校的录取,自己认为一方面是明确了读书的理由并在申请的每个环节一以贯之;一方面是很早就充分制定了自己的申请策略并动手实施。这两点说起来都很普通,但也确实是我感受最深最希望和大家分享的。
明确读MBA的理由,不单是为了回答这个essay必问的问题,更重要的是只有真的想清楚这个问题,才会知道自己有多大的决心和紧迫感去完成申请中每个艰难而琐碎的环节,才会知道自己的优势劣势自己的定位方法,才会知道自己最应该申请哪些学校不应该申请哪些学校。我没有使用专业的申请顾问,虽然和很多很好的顾问是好朋友并得到很多启迪,但四年的思考让我对自己的申请策略和定位有清楚的了解。在一轮里面申请4所学校我没有请过一天假,因为对申请的充分理解让我能合理安排各个环节的时间。在很多人眼里,我的工作很顺利,我的职业并不必须MBA,但正是因为自己考虑清楚了,才能坚定地开始和结束。因为时间的充裕,我在第一轮申请了四所最钟爱的学校。选择学校我主要从品牌和位置两方面考虑,这是自己最为看重的读书的原因、影响长远职业,以及2年生活状态的主要因素。
及早下决心和动手准备是几乎每个申请人都会给的建议。我想用一些自己的细节来说明。我的准备不是指开始构思essay,从考虑MBA那天开始,就是全方位准备的开始。有这个意识,就能在平时多积累对学校的了解,与目标学校的校友去交流,当我真正需要找人看essay提意见的时候,每个学校我都幸运地找到了很多愿意帮忙的校友,而且我每个学校的essay也只给本校的校友看。有很多朋友真正到写出了essay草稿才临时希望去找陌生的校友来看,这样既不现实也不效率。较早的准备也让我能有从容的心态注意其他人不在意的一些地方,例如我递交给每所学校的简历,都通过不同渠道得到了学校的官方模板后修改递交的,尽量体现对学校的重视和提供最好的阅读感受。在动笔之前,我已经对自己的essay有了近半年的思考,我的灵感,是在工作中,在开车时,在健身房,在看美国人塑造英雄的大片中,甚至是睡觉前在床上想出来的。
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A:
可以看看BW forum上的成功案例也有異曲同工之妙
MBA並不是一個目標
而是完成實際生涯目標的其中一塊版圖
一味的在申請文件中吹捧名校只會讓個人價值失焦
是因為生涯的具體長程目標與短程計畫中
必須要透過某校的特殊MBA課程來完成
才有可能做非常精密的校系結合
許多人並不需要MBA
也有更多人需要MBA但對生涯方向定義不清
因此不曉得該選什麼樣的學校
一切都要從真實的生涯管理出發
從職涯三元素: 熱情,性格,與能力
定義出具體的長短程生涯目標
之後找出了所欠缺的細節缺塊在某特定學校的MBA才能補足
這樣透過學校的MBA訓練後才會產生極大效果
並能真實學以致用
樓主超人成就的背後跟各大商學院錄取牛人
都是透過如此精緻的生涯細節出發
將MBA灌注於人生
才是這些牛校所珍惜的理想學生
[MBA Career Management]究竟有什麼訣竅或是可以作為評估的criteria,來挑選所謂"fit"的 B school呢?
Q:究竟有什麼訣竅或是可以作為評估的criteria,來挑選所謂"fit"的 B school呢?
A:
先前回应台湾网站上的问题
也来此分享给大陆同志们:
简单来说可以分为三步骤:
1.了解自己Explore yourself: 分为a,b,c三个细项
a.自己现在在哪: 检视自己的学历背景到工作经验是如何转折
挖出自己在一般五年左右的工作年资中
有何优势与成就
这些成就在管理价值链里的各大领域中
市场,业务,行销,财务,经济统计,供应链,作业管理,策略,人资,领导学,创业...etc.
分别是哪些领域强
哪些领域弱
找出自己的多边形
b.未来要去何方: 自己的生涯兴趣
与长短程目标动机到底为何
职业生涯由三项主要项目构成: 性格,兴趣,与能力
三项有因果关系
前两项会造成第三项
也有可能一三项造成第二项
从自己的这三项职涯要素中找出未来方向
可依照纵向产业别
与横向职务别来交叉
如: IT产业的产品研发经理
找出具体长短程目标为何
c.隔阂分析Gap analysis:
从上头a项的"现在"
到b项的"理想地"之间差了什么
中间所欠缺的东西需要什么来补足
为什么会出现想要进修商学研究所的动机
又需要商学研究所中的哪几块系统知识与实务训练
才能真实的达到生涯理想地
2.课程选择与媒合Find the fit program:
当深度自我了解之后
自身强项与弱项所呈现的多边形
与理想目标之间的隔阂所呈现的gap area
就成为寻找学校特性的比对基准
运用这个gap area 找出你所需要的主要元素
再配合AT分数即可锁定特定定位学校
例如: AT 670三年产品经理经验
对供应链有兴趣
想以行销为导向的供应链管理
则可以选择MSU的Marketing & Supply Chain concentration
AT 650两年半广告经验
想走企业端产品行销
可以选UNC Customer & Product Management concentration
AT 690四年四大事务所经验
想在会计领域晋升高阶经理
可以选UT-Austin, UIUC
AT 710五年消费性品牌经理
要挑战世界级品牌管理
西北凯洛格, Wharton, MIT, 维吉尼亚达顿, Kelley
原则上找出个人方向与锁定学校特性后
用AT分数即可逼进出四到六所左右的学校
再针对这些关键目标学校各各击破
学校特性可由交叉比对学校课程,ranking,与essay及推荐信等题目中找出
PS托福是一定要过105滴
3. Brand yourself个人品牌行销
针对目标学校的特性进行策略研拟
分为几个阶段
a.列出各校的具体招生需求
由于在第二阶段已经选出适合学校
现在需要深度了解学校需求
以确立个人品牌行销方向
同样藉由交叉比对细部课程内容,essay题目,推荐信题目
来找出学校招生方向列出细部元素
ex:
MIT强调teamwork与innovative leadership
Columbia强调entrepreneurial leadership与finance
Harvard强调organizational restructure与corporate entrepreneurship
b.列出自身各项媒合筹码与条件
将所有武器全数陈列
c.依照个人品牌精华元素
找出行销传播主轴
将个人所有武器以单一品牌主轴贯串
完整链结至学校特性需求
将个人品牌与名校品牌结合至极大综效
以倒金字塔结构进行陈述
MBA个人品牌行销即告完成
简单总结是3大步骤
1. Explore your career
从学经历找出自己的兴趣方向
分析自我现状与未来理想目标中间的gap
以归结进修动机与方向
2. Fit the program
依照自身优势定位与兴趣动机
配合AT分数范围
找出属性适切的独特定位学校
3. Brand yourself to the fit program
找出目标学校的细项需求元素
列出自身所有符合条件与成就
每校以最佳品牌主轴贯串所有武器
以倒金字塔商业写作模式进行全力个人行销
如有任何疑问请不要客气尽管来信询问
email: davidlee0222big1@gmail.com
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赴汤蹈火
全力协助茫茫申请人
找到真实职涯最适合的MBA课程
将每个人的MBA历程在人生中发挥到极致
2008年3月19日 星期三
[Personal Branding]大家看看我的Goal 是否有大漏洞:
Q:
大家看看我的Goal 是否有大漏洞:
I have a long term plan to build up my own software company in IT industry. China has so many talents of software engineering, but China dose not own world famous software companies. While, India’s software industry have boomed up and cultivated many well-known native software firms, such as InfoSys and Satyam. On the other side, foreign software and solution companies, such as SAP, Oracle and Microsoft ,almost occupied China’s software industry. Ironically, they hosted their R&D centers in China and hired a bunch of Chinese engineers. I aspire to take the responsibility to alter the situation and foster a world-class software service provider from China.
For this goal, first of all, I should build and sharpen my business capabilities before 35 years old. In Intel, I inspired my potential and learned a lot about various leadership styles, effective team work, customer orientation, and business operation. Especially, Intel’s open and global working environment cultivated me to be a pro-active and initiative guy with global thinking. However, only a MBA program can offer me systematic business management trainings to improve my general skill-sets of international business operation. Secondly, I need a business co-partner, who are smart and passion. In a top MBA school, it will be easy to get this task done. Thirdly, I should find out the venture capital to support the setup of my business. So I prefer study in US for my MBA program, where it is relatively easier to get capital support.
A:
這篇essay文法需要小修 但並沒有什麼太大問題
語氣平鋪直敘也沒什麼不好
BW上的錄取sample很多都是這樣的語氣
長程目標有大方向
講到大陸與印度趨勢都很好
不過以上狀況都無關緊要
主要問題有幾大點
一是大陸與印度有這些趨勢 只是總體經濟面
跟您個人生涯的關係為何? 要有細部的個人動機結合
二是為什麼這樣的趨勢要由您來執行這樣的目標? 您有什麼個人能力或特別經歷與其他競爭者區隔?
為什麼十幾億人要由您來執行而不是別人? 您跟別人有什麼不同?這篇essay主要問題就是幾乎可以套在其他十億人身上,沒有很強的個人獨特性與區隔
三是沒有明確的細部目標與具體實踐方式
您講的方向很大 您有什麼細部目標與計畫
能一步一步將大方向目標完成? 必須要有break down細目
四是定義模糊
software太多了 您要講出是哪種software
而為什麼是這種software
市場在哪 為什麼有這市場? 可能因為某某趨勢或市場需求
您的公司要多大規模
資金來源為何...等等
這些基礎條件要先定義好之後
跟您現在的能力與資源有何差異
找出中間的gap以後才會具體知道需要加強哪些部分
是需要marketing?還是需要finance?還是需要entrepreneurship?
必須要把這些細目都定義清楚
才會發現是否欠缺MBA訊練 而需要的是MBA的哪些部份
又為什麼是UNC 非UNC不可
UNC強項並不在entrepreneurship
而是在marketing communication
而且非常強
但跟您本身的目標與現狀都還沒有任何證據能夠結合
您必須要將這些證據明確列出
才會有面試機會並且進而錄取
第五是對生涯未來有預設前提
為什麼會出現一個轉折點在三十五歲
不是三十三歲或三十八歲?
需要有個理由或證據 不能無中生有
然後回到定義模糊的問題
您所指的business capability是哪些
要有明細
您可以說需要有managing people & leadership能夠帶領企業團隊
要有marketing research能力才能知道市場在哪
要有finance basics and investment fundamentals讓您知道如何週轉資金
IT product development & project management讓您能夠開發新軟體產品
並且對產品開發做專案管理...等等
您下頭講到的這段就相當接近:
In Intel, I inspired my potential and learned a lot about various leadership styles, effective team work, customer orientation, and business operation. Especially, Intel’s open and global working environment cultivated me to be a pro-active and initiative guy with global thinking.
不過沒講完
要再往下延伸
例如要把customer orientation定義更精細完整
customer orientation的目的是為了capitalize feasible profit
並且跟學校課程結合
所以你需要UNC的consumer behavior來知道消費者到底在想什麼
以及 market research來找出市場需求
您後面這段Especially, Intel’s open and global working environment cultivated me to be a pro-active and initiative guy with global thinking. However, only a MBA program can offer me systematic business management trainings to improve my general skill-sets of international business operation.
就滿抽象
不太知道您的pro-active and initiative定義是什麼為什麼會需要這些特質
又為什麼這會需要MBA訓練
您可以換一種更具體的講法
並且能夠實際與MBA課程結合
也是您人生的真實生涯
不然即使唸完也沒辦法派上用場
最後一點是外求於人
找co-partner沒問題
但是這個人似乎比您的能力更為強大
若是這樣 您本身的價值將會相對降低
又這樣的co-partner如果真的要這樣找
直接飛到學校附近旅行幾天 到學校酒吧喝幾杯交交朋友就行了
不需要念個MBA這麼大投資
簡單講是需要具體細項目標與執行方式
並跟個人獨特性與生涯方向結合
再解釋學校的細項特性來做結合
這樣就會錄取
[Personal Branding]问牛牛一个问题~GPA
Q:
本科在国内读的,MSc在海外读的。本科时的GPA很好,>3.5,但是硕士时的不高,只是拿了个pass,申请MBA时学校会如何评判呢? 硕士的成绩影响有多大呢?
麻烦指点
A:
you can see on BW forum
adcom cares more about the reasons behind your GPA
which is more retional
why your under GPA like this and MS GPA like that
is there any indication of improvement or growing tendency?
then cross-compare with your professional performance shown in your resume and essays
to evaluate whether this applicant is candid and eligible
[Personal Branding]Statement of purpose
Q:
那里能找到Statement of purpose 的例文啊,不会写,郁闷啊。
A:
Generally MBA requires essays but not SOP
since MBA is not for research or academic studies
you can register MBA Insider
there're many essay samples
[Career Explorer]Please Gui de :Supply chain mgmt MBA
Q:
Hi ,I have got admission in 2 B schools.I wanted to MBA in Supply Chain management.But yesterday i was searching in google Supply chain jobs in USA i could se only Truck transporation and very local (non reputed ) companies in my search results.Now i have two doubts:One is if i do Supply chain MBA what type of profile i will get after grad. I wanted to be in strategic consulting in Supply chain domain. I have 3 years expeience in IT Consulting.What are he companies which take supply chain grads.Second is the type of comanies i cud see in my google i was confused if such coimpanies do sponsor the H1B job for international students . In other words, leaving finance and IT does the US copmanies sponsor fo r H1B for SCM doamin?Thanks.
A:
Supply chain has very broad application in real-world operations. Sourcing, procurement, logistics, transportations, lean productions, inventory management, assembly line...etc., you name it.
Basically from the manufacturing line til market, everything from outside the factory are related to supply chain. Automobile industry is a typical field to go. Also manufacturing industries. IT industry need it too.
You can go IT industry to consult them the efficiency inhancement on supply chain management.
For the H1B issue, it really depends on what specific skills or advantages over American MBAs you've got and what specific position and functionality the recruitor needs from you.
You may have some cultural or language advantage to help your future company grow. The American companies are more likely send you back to your country, while you can try the companies from your country but now based in the U.S. might be easier.
davidlee0222big1@gmail.com
2008年3月18日 星期二
[Personal Marketing]Internship / International Student
Q:
Hi All,I am a current first year student. I applied and was fortunate enough to be selected to be interviewed for one of JNJ's summer internship. However, I did not pass the sniff test as I do not have perm work authorization in the US. Doesn't matter that one could apply for CPT or whatever , since it's 'perm authorization't that they are looking for.The impression I get is that most int. students would end up with something that they do not really want to do. I am hoping that some of you out there would share your experiences and how you managed to get that internship.
A:
go find some small enterprises that need your experience and skill sets
or find companies from your country that based in States
they may lower your salary level for your work authorization
but no big deal
since after your first VISA, it's pretty easy to transfer to another job
these are 2 easier ways to get a job plus VISA sponsorship
[Program Fitting]Ding dong ding :(
Q:
My dings are from Cornell , MIT Sloan and NYU Stern. My profile : M/710/5+ WE in IT/GPA 3.6 , not great extra curriculars , essays for some of the schools above were good rest average.
A:
Hi there
your score and experience are quite decent
but it depends quite heavily on what specific field are you looking for in your career
so far these 3 schools are frankly not in the same pool, although they're top 15
no particular correlation among these 3 schools
not matter in general competition or in specific career professions
Sloan is really top in general management and finance
NYU is highly competitive but not the very top in finance
Cornell is competitive in general management but quite balance in all fields
It might mean that you can dig one step further to find your true fit
after figuring out your real career soul,
the fit schools will emerge by themselves
and your essays will also be brilliant naturally
[Program Fitting]waitlisted by tepper
Q:
听说对于tepper来说,这等于ding。我只是不懂,如果我的水平就是很普通的话,为什么面试的时候他要说那些给我错误的希望的话,什么very honored to have such a strong candidate like you。搞得我现在非常难过:(
A:
Tepper是高度竞争的中型学校
对量化训练相当注重
主修不像综合性大校有大锅菜可以选
但有重点加强在行销与财务
虽没有明文表示
但就这两年率取趋势
Tepper有倾向爱高分亚洲女性
主要是来平衡diversity & minority quota
又同步拉平均分来提升名次
[Personal Branding]被 UC Davis waitlisted了,哭~ (v)
很少看到有Davis的面经,可能它招收的学生真的很少吧,加上地理位置一般,很少人申请的样子。
不过还是希望这些面经对后来申请的人有点作用。
1. Tell me about yourself.
2. I have seem on your resume that you have work in XX company, can you tell me about that?
3. Why do you think it is the right time for you to pursue the MBA now?
4. You know most of the applicants here have worked for more than five year. What's your advantage with few working experience?
5. Why Davis?
6. What company do you like to working for?
7. Any question to ask me?
此时好像有点接近尾声的样子了,可是过了不到15分钟,可能是我有点紧张,说话太快的缘故,于是我一口气问了三个问题,弄得我像在interview她了。。。她回答完我的问题以后,似乎也觉得时间太早了,又翻她的笔记找了一个问题来问:
8. Please describe a situation when you receive a professional feedback to let you revise your program, and what did you do?
这个问题过于具体,根本没有准备到,临时想到一个例子,还算能蒙混过去了。
9. Is there anything you want to share with me?
面试结束。
又等了五分钟,她把我叫到楼上去做一个5分钟的presentation,终于一切告一段落,剩下的就是等结果了。
下个星期还有一个UC Irvine的Interview, Crossing my fingure now...
攒个RP,赚点祝福,呵呵~~~ Good luck to myself!
A:
wow
從interview問題就可以看出Davis是個相當認真又好心的學校
各題都切中要害 刀刀見骨
透過各面向來了解樓主的candidacy
只要樓主能了解各題間的邏輯性與關連
並完整解釋生涯動機與MBA必要性
即使年資不足都還是能輕易錄取
樓主GMAT分數相當高 但兩個工作各只有半年
總共一年的資歷會來申請MBA
對於平均至少三到五年資歷才出現生涯瓶頸而來進修的MBA學生而言
第一個遇到的問題就是why now
因此有兩種可能
一是超級fast tracker
在半年中就已經發現企業問題
並在工作執行中出現明顯能力瓶頸
非念MBA不然無法突破
則why now 成立
或是第二種可能
職涯穩定度與抗壓性不足
待沒多久就想換
換一換不喜歡又想回去唸書
則why now 不成立
這樣的動機探尋最直接的問法就是看工作內容
若能透過對樓主工作過的公司與職務來找出瓶頸與MBA動機
將會使樓主的why now成立
因此帶自我簡介完後第一個問題就直接切工作內容
問完之後
在no leading的狀態下給樓主第二次機會
詢問樓主是否能自行解釋why now
然而不論是否得到理想回答
面試官再給第三次機會
並帶出提示
MBA平均年資都是五年左右
詢問樓主以目前相對較薄的資歷中
有哪些機會點可以與平均MBA學生同步學習?
再來主要問題都問過了
下一步是檢視申請人是否適合就讀本校
要深入了解樓主對學校的獨特性與自身適合性的結合
申請人必須要先知道學校特性與自身特性之後
才有辦法進行結合
因此問why Davis
了解完以上why now與why Davis之後
申請人的生涯目標還未清晰
尤其才短短一年的工作資歷
對未來三四十年的生涯方向就驟下定論的風險太大
不論是縱軸產業別或是橫軸職務別 都無法進行判斷
因此用稍為general的問法詢問what (kind/type of) company you want to work for
來核對申請人是否對生涯有基礎方向的偏好
或有早期的性向特長
由於樓主資歷較淺
能夠詢問的深,廣程度都有限
回答的經歷舉證也都有限
因此時間會有剩餘
但面試官出了一道殺手鐧
這題要是能答出來必上
但沒有五年以上經歷要答的出來難上加難
就是Davis課程有哪些地方需要改進
必須要對MBA課程有完整了解
並找出Davis的優缺點
才有可能答出這題
簡單說是Davis課程基礎課程穩固 綜合性夠
較偏概念式理論 實務應用部分競爭力可再加強
課程中對總體經濟面向與政令稅法討論較多
對technology有深入性
然而各主修的細項課程多就獨立面向討論
少有交叉應用
而各主修的精密度都還能再提升一到兩個等級
最精緻的主修可以算行銷
但仍有許多主力課程欠缺 如Consumer Behavior, Market Insights, CRM, Channel Management, Brand Management, Service Management...etc.
財務課程稍弱, 還需要Portfolio Management, Valuation, Venture Capital, Private Equity, Financial Institutes, Micro & Macro Economics, Finance Engineering...etc.
General Management相對完整
Tech & Entrepreneurship 也有全面性
IT主修可以再多討論technology trend及execution
但由於樓主AT分數相當高
因此學校會希望能夠拉高平均分數而給予樓主平反機會
樓主可再將申請資料整理更完善後提出上訴
[Career Explorer]到了“丁”字路口,如何是好 (v)
背景:本科是国际金融和法律的双学位,毕业后直接进入了一家房地产咨询公司(美资的但ranking一般),已经工作三年了
目标:申请MBA(北美),top20,商学院毕业后转入投行工作(M&A)
困境:目前面临职业的重新选择,两个机会:一是仍然在本行业进入在行业排名第二的美资公司,方向略有调整从偏向于research转向投资,有点像Reits;二是进入本土一家中等排名证券公司的投行部
矛盾:第一种选择公司名气很大,而且职业的连续性比较好,申请时认为会为简历增光
第二种选择可以提前进入未来锁定的行业提前熟悉业务(不知商学院在录取或者投行在招聘时是否很关注这种密切相关的工作经验)
急切需要大家的意见,一个人的想法难免狭隘、有失偏颇,大家有砖尽管拍我会尊重每个人的宝贵意见!先谢了!
A:
兩個選擇各有利弊
選擇一是像樓上講的綜合競爭力高
但會出現生涯邏輯轉折較硬的風險
生涯轉折的合理性會是第一項關鍵審核標準
公司名氣大不一定能蓋過不合理的生涯轉折
會有一定程度風險
第二項選擇是企業名氣不高的劣勢
但由於生涯邏輯性合理
因此不失為一項選擇
企業知名度的劣勢可以用細項職務說明來彌補
詳細解釋職務內容的適切性與您未來生涯的發展性有何關聯
並在此項職務中學得哪些關鍵技能
以及執行哪些重要成就
由於MBA申請人來自世界各國
絕大多數的各國當地企業adcom都沒聽過
當然有國際企業經驗有一定程度的加分
但即使公司知名度不高
一樣能在履歷表及essay中提出公司地位與個人化職務的重要性
以及如此的企業規模與細項職務 對申請人的職涯規劃有何必要性
又為何需要MBA
只要能解釋合理 錄取機會就會大幅提升
[Career Explorer]大家都在收Offer,我还在找适合我的专业。 (v)
Q:
心情很差。一切都因为起步太晚,但悔之晚矣!我准备从头再来。
我以前在中国做老师(8年),与business一点不沾边。来美国后生孩子在家待了几年,开始想学会计,现在决定学MBA或finance,总之想转行到商业。因为年龄大了,不想一拖再拖。前一段时间申请了UW,被拒,心里很失落,开始怀疑自己的能力和未来。但申请还得继续,因为我心中仍然有梦。
现在,要重新选择专业,规划未来。尽管是文科,但我喜欢数学。将来想做分析一类的工作,如金融分析。不知道选什么专业好?申请MBA都要想好短期和长期目标,我也不知道该怎么说,因为我根据自己的实际情况,没有什么宏大的远期目标,而是很实际地想做金融分析或任何一类的分析研究类的工作(financial cunsulting?)。但如果写essay这么说,肯定不会被录取啦。所以很彷徨,我该怎么办?恳请大家给指点迷津。
补充一点:我的GMAT670,想申请DC附近的任何过得去的学校,只求将来能完成学业,找份工作。
A:
教育背景女性年龄稍长
并没有不能转
而是为什么要转
MBA不是一个人生目标
它是一个经理人训练过程
申请人并不是要去说服谁要转向哪里
而是申请人本身需要将生涯方向的逻辑完整连结
找出具体长程目标及短期实践方法
跟目前现状中间的gap刚好欠缺MBA的某些训练
自己功课都做好了才有能力念MBA
如果自己功课都没做好
生涯方向模糊不清或是只是用嘴巴讲讲
没有证据证明热情与实际人生进程
其他条件再怎么好都不会录取
为什么要转向会计财务 而不是其他专业
为什么需要MBA
为什么需要UW这间学校
只要讲的出必要性就行
GMAT很够不用担心
另一方面是competency
分为两大面向
一是commitment
像三十以后讲的您的passion在哪
有什么证据可以证明您对财务会计有激情
即使没有学经历背景能支撑
但多少有迹象能显示您有往这个方向前进的动力
以及已经累积多少能力
足以让您能够实际转业
MBA是进阶经理人训练
主要学习方式并不是听教授讲课
而是靠群体间个人经历的相互贡献进行学习
教授只提供学理模型与导正
需要申请人已经有一定程度的学经历累积后
再来念才会有办法教学相长
可以将您自学内容或读过的相关书籍提出
或是证照准备过程等等
让招生委员了解您已经做好进入财务领域的万全准备
万事具备只欠东风
只缺一个MBA就能完成转职
但MBA之前的个人功课要先行完成
第二面向是competitiveness
您有多强大的竞争力可以弥补没有商业背景
又在家带小孩的几年空窗
拿您的教师背景 如何能够在教室中与隔壁企业经理人背景的同学 同步学习
只要能够提出以上证据
招生委员就会知道您已经做好转业准备
能够拿您本身的资历价值来与MBA教学资源进行对等交易
自然就会录取
念完后也真实可以转业
[Career Explorer]最后的UNC也被拒了,全军覆没。希望大牛指点 (v)
我今年也是申请了5所学校, 最后一所UNC。全被据了。我的G-680, T-101,9年工作经验,还有6年Intel的工作经验。本以为能申请到一所学校。但是我想明年再试一次。希望DX们给些好的建议,以便提高明年申请的成功率。
A:
GMAT 680很够了
没有具体生涯方向,790都一样被ding。
九年经验,又有大半在Intel如此全球代表企业,
申请五间完全没有interview,表示有critical problem in essays。
即使还不用看太多细节,也可想而知是没有具体生涯方向,
也因此没有明确MBA动机,
所以学校的特性媒合也无法个人化。
再怎么有抱负,没有细部实践方法都没用。
至少楼主要熟悉MBA细部内容,并能找出进修的必要性,之后再申请MBA。
原则上,MBA任何人都能念。
包山包海,无所不包。
但落水三千只取一瓢饮,
若楼主想知道有哪些原因遭拒,会需要请楼主将申请状况,在不影响个人隐私的前提下,
做细部描述,才有办法分析。
2008年3月13日 星期四
[Career Explorer]咨询下各位,关于申请MBA的职业发展 (v)
中国某重点大学计算机系毕业后,平均82%,后在中国的银行做公司金融方向的工作3-4年.
曾经一条心想读ph.d,套了cam,ox的导师,funding大概也可以了,
IBT 114,以前申请uk时考了,最近把GMAT考了, 790.
FRM,CFA3已经考下了,准备再混最后一年经验.
现在犹豫下,小弟还是继续做quant analyst,请问是在投行的资产管理部门发展好,还是去对冲基金的做quant好呢?不考虑薪水的情况下.
如果做quant analyst,将来继续做,不读MBA,也许做了trading,慢慢能靠近点fund manager?
如果我在上面的公司中做两年quant analyst的话,哪一种选择有利于将来申请美国的MBA呢?
假如读了MBA,我再怎么发展? 回原来的行业吗?
谢谢各位.
A:
超級學霸!
从生涯热情,性格能力,职务可能性,与MBA需求等四大面向。
首先,生涯热情部份,已经有top投行实习经验,知道投行运作模式与工作内容。
但是,如果才做三四年quant analysis,就已经出现倦怠,那后面的三十年可以说将如梦餍。
这部分可以再深入讨论。
性格能力虽有高度研究能力,但性格并不安于埋首研究。
在职涯三元素:热情,性格,与专业能力中,三项都出现不一致性。
具备专业能力,但热情与性格都不支援。
这样不论怎么找工作,都只会是job,而不是career。
不论需不需要再进修Ph.D或念MBA,即使出来,都会不断重复两、三年就倦怠、而想转职的想法。
这样滚石不生苔。不但无法累积专业,人生也不会快乐。
需要深度挖掘职业兴趣与热情,并看背景与专业能力是否能够配合。
若无法配合,则须另行培养。
职务可能性,就目前资讯来看,有如此的深厚数量基础,不论要做trading, fund manager,或是quant analyst,都没有太大障碍。
问题还是回到:哪个工作能够满足您的生活模式与生涯兴趣。
最后是念不念MBA或Ph.D。
Ph.D已经初步排除,楼主很清楚不需要极端研究走向。
因此问题回到MBA。
首先需要观念厘清:MBA不是一项目标,而是一个商业经理人训练的过程。
当然有这么高的GMAT分数,与研究所与IB经历,一定会有学校收。
不然念出来很可能对生涯方向更模糊。
若需要生涯方向探寻可以進一步讨论。
2008年3月12日 星期三
[Personal Branding]Which option is better? 4th tier in-class or top schools online
Q:
Would it look better to admissions committees if I took Stats, Accounting, and Microeconomics:
1)...at an in-person classroom-setting but at a local community college or 4th tier undergraduate university?
Or
2)...online at a more respected undergraduate university like UC - Berkeley, UCLA, or UTexas - Austin?
Cost differences aren't much. As far as my academic background already I haven't taken the GMAT yet and I have a 3.5 GPA from a top ten undergraduate university. However, my major and minor were in liberal arts subjects. I do have some quant courses from undergrad already, but the grades aren't too high (Physics courses: A, B, B-; Calculus courses: C-, C).
A:
Hi ElleBee,
Probably you can mention both of them and show your aggressiveness and the motivation to adcom. Either of them has pros and cons while together they are complemantory to each other. It'll also show that although you're physically in a lower tier classes but you're eager to thrive in the fields that you voluntarily took extra courses in highly competitive schools.
I believe adcom will be more interested in the reasoning behind and your personal career objectives. At least in those sample essays.
2008年3月11日 星期二
[Career Explorer]一個我人生未來的問題 (v)
我一直都準備要去美國讀大學。我的計畫是在大學讀會計系,然後出來工作,再來可能就讀MBA或是會計研究所。
A:
捷克幾乎完全不講英文。即使是觀光聖地布拉格,也只有相當少數的人會講很基本的英文。我在那念了兩個月的書,巷口義大利餐廳的辣妹服務生,連個hot or cool都聽不懂。
[Career Explorer]EMBA for a career change?
Q:
Also from NYC area I am 37 with 13 years experience in IT Consulting and Services. I have owned my own company for the last 8 years and have employed up to 6 consultants and have managed up to 45 people during projects my company has engaged in. Most of my projects are with investment banks and hedge funds. Will have masters in Software Engineering from Brandeis University in early 2009.Looking to move from IT consulting to management consulting or IB?
The few information sessions I have attended showcased former students that were all career changers. It’s seems to me that it would be a great move if the career services are there. I think a lot of companies would appreciate the experience we both have in conjunction with the MBA. In the end, I think the MBA only gives you the basic skills and opens doors (to what degree depends on program) after that it’s up to you. I am just concerned about the salary as I already am in the 180-200+ range. I am wondering if it is worth it or if I need a top program if I already have the IB and hedge fund contacts needed to make the move.
What Schools are you looking at?My thoughts on our local options
The NYU part time program looks to have issues with its students fully capitalizing on the NYU nameWharton, Columbia and Cornell (Palisades) programs are close to NYC but expensive (130K +).Baruch, Fordham are lower tier but good reps in NY from what I hear.-->-->
-->-->Indiana--> -->University-->--> has an Online program dual MBA/MS in Finance for 54K but I am reading that IU is more of a regional school and not well known in NY in terms of Alumni.
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UMASS-Amherst - went here for undergrad – they have very cheap 25K Online MBA
A:
I believe there're some critical trigger points to push you on career switching. There're several dimensions need to be considered separately. First, MBA or EMBA? I believe you need one of them, but is the career switching necessary to you? it depends hugely on your passion. IT consulting is more like a service consultant + sales, while you made big $ on that as a king. MC is more like a corporate doctor that you need to diagnose the enterprise problems and provide solutions based on models and financial tools; on the other hand, IB is like a industrial analyst + fund strategist to allocate your clients' $. You'll lose your power in either MC or IB, make about 60% of your current compensation, and work your ass off, probably 12~16 hrs a day in average. Both of these jobs are more suitable for early 30s since they don't need to sleep and are available to fly around the world.
It's never too late to switch career, but where are you going and why.
For other minor considerations, your GMAT scores, family, locations, needed curriculum, and still, MBA or EMBA. if for MC or IB, probably MBA can offer you a more solid training on finance and consulting fundamentals. You're still in very decent age for MBA, while EMBA might be for older executives.
But EMBA might be a great platform to let you share your business amplitude with other executives and hook up with bigger scope in management challenges.
The most important thing is to find out what drives your passion. Then find out where's your next career challenge. What's the gap between your destination and current situation, then the needed part of business training will emerge by itself.
GMAT is the first step for selecting schools. EMBA tends to have lower requirements. But I believe with your abundant entrepreneurial experience, only those very top schools can make up what you lack for.
2008年3月6日 星期四
[Program Fitting]Top UG, not quite top B-school
Q:
Not sure if there are any others out their in the same boat, but I'm curious if anyone else is or will be attending a top 20-30ish b-school after previously attending a top 5-10 UG. Obviously our existing networks will be a big help, but how do you think you our resumes will be viewed in the post-mba market place? How will our chances for top jobs compare to those with no-name UG degrees, but big name MBAs? When you see job listings specifying Ivy League/Top 10 Bschool Graduates do you think our resumes will still qualify for a read or be immediately tossed in the circular file? How legit is it to attend recruiting events (particularly MBA level recruiting events) at your UG institution?
Thanks
A:
MBA students normally have about 5 years experience already that undergraduate is a long history far away from now. It's normally less representitive since MBA is the real battle field that almost 5~10 times more intense than UG.
Recruiters generally more focus on MBA competence and school strength. Also alumni network in MBA field will be more powerful and relevent than college one. While as always, school name is only a ticket to get interviews, not offers. Recruiters select job candidates base on school competence at the first step, but the rest part is on your own. They'll probably be impressed by your UG if it's a top 5, but mostly it's MBA that matters. That's my personal observation from several national career fairs like NSHMBA.
[Personal Branding]Emory為何這麼早拒絕我? (v)
A:
每個人策略不一樣。
由於生涯探尋有累積性,面對越多生涯轉折與動力問題,會有越多思考。
但原則上,透過深度生涯檢視,將生涯轉折動機與成就細項挖出來以後,會出現具體的生涯走向。
再經過細部比對後,適合學校才會自然浮現。
但這些都需要相當深度的探索與消化,會花很多時間,動輒數週至數月。
而同時申請越多學校,精緻度會不斷稀釋,學校特性也越難掌握。
原則上,越後面的輪次,會建議申請越精密鎖定的學校。
尤其前二十名校特性都大異其趣,要一間一間仔細寫,才有辦法跟學校特性結合。
最後,寫essay有學習曲線。
到第五間之後,就會流於俗套。
即使第一輪丟六所,都太多了。
因為總共一年三輪也頂多申請八到十所。
因此根據經驗,以絕大多數學校的三輪死線而言,大約是各申請3、4、5所的分配,是較為常見的安排。
尤其是最後一輪要慎選。
因為前兩輪都還有名額空缺,但到第三輪已經是最終調整名額階段,頂多鎖定最精緻的3校,來作全力衝刺
還要謹慎提防。
2008年3月4日 星期二
[Program Fitting]請問有thunderbird的學長姐嗎?
Q:
dear davidlee0222 我的問題在.... 我本身對於thunderbird很有興趣 之前就準備過cbt和at (但成績不佳) 不過又跑去工作... 去年十月辭職準備 ibt考過一次(慘敗) 現在先準備at 想知道thunderbird的ibt課程風評如何 上來傷咖求助各位學長姐 我明白讀書是自己的事情 其實到哪裡唸都一樣 可能一直沒有考到理想的成績 所以心理很慌.... 最近大家都在問申請的事情 這個問題好像有點不是時候 @@ anyway 也祝大家申請順利
A:
學校的PreMBA課程不錯
不過另外一門托福ibt準備課程
據小弟泰國死黨親身經歷的說法
不太需要砸個三四千塊美金來請家教
也沒什麼太大幫助
台灣的補習班技巧解題法應該厲害多了
不過現在的ibt難度提升
只有整體語文實力提升才有實質幫助
ibt即使衝個八九十分
來這裡的都還是鴨子聽雷
另一部分是看起來樓主工作資歷不多
雖說學校率取門檻是至少兩年經驗
當然也有人天資優異工作不到兩年就進來的
但小弟個人建議沒有工作個四五年還是不要來的好
這裡不是來唸書的
是來打世界大戰
連八年經驗都不一定吃得消
就這幾年看下來工作四年以下的唸完跟沒唸沒什麼太大差別
每年進來二三十個人
幾年下來到現在在美國找到工作的一隻手可以數完
原因很簡單
這裡各國老外都是六年八年十二年經驗
連日本韓國來的都平均八年
一半是公司不然政府派來的
平常上課討論高來高去
提問等級及經驗分享都是超高國際水準
找不到什麼破綻
步調又超快
我們家小台胞們除了小弟不要臉猛舉手每天打硬仗以外
大夥多半都扮演後勤支援角色支援零星炮火
問題是在美國沒貢獻就等於不存在
每天開會三個會也沒辦法貢獻
Peer Evaluation組員評分都沒幾分
拿了個文憑哪也去不了
找工作各國老外人家都五年八年經理或創業家
台灣的都是兩年還已經加了當兵
撐完OPT還是要回國
花了三四百萬來留學沒有產生極大效益
可以說相當可惜
等工作久一點實戰經驗磨夠了
來這裡打世界大戰才有上場領導機會
出來也才懂得如何與實務結合
在職場上帶領企業前進
[Career Explorer]有沒有人要一起準備面試?...丟出申請文件後的規劃...以及漫談 (v)
Q:
想找人一起準備面試,因為我的補習班同學乃至身邊的朋友,大多延遲到明年,剩下我孤軍奮戰。
A:
樓主經歷有持續成長趨勢,性格也有積極度,有基礎管理資歷,GMAT有競爭力,尤其是名校出身。
雖然有基礎的經歷,但沒有往上橋接目標的學經歷條件,以及缺乏興趣、性格、能力等生涯要素,足以將塑膠廠經歷接到創投,還要接到創業。
關於延畢,還有延伸分析。
因為審核時,第一件事就是先算年齡與年資。
原po大學念了五年,不管是什麼原因(準備研究所、找工作等等),成就路程就慢了人一步。
另外一大罩門是人為因素。
樓主一個月丟了16間,不到2天就丟1間的深入度,不被拒絕也難。
光這個問題,應該對這封早來的拒絕信,至少有6成以上貢獻。
MBA不論是否名校,都跟個人職業生涯息息相關。
而MBA不是一個目標 而是一個訓練歷程。
就像筆者某次開車兜風時,聽廣播聽到的一句廣告:
"It's not about finding the best offer, it's about the fit."
對學校與對申請人而言都一樣。不是把身上所有東西丟出來武器陳列,就會有學校念。
而是申請人到底生涯要去何方?
若想創業的話,有無創業嘗試或經歷?
若想走VC路線,是否有無任何興趣、性格,或能力的不可取代性,非做不可?
又為何與學校相關?
因為人的生涯再怎麼走都還是一條路,不是三條。
真的創業過,就會知道像哈佛商學院講的--創業家最缺的不是錢,而是時間。
若真的長程目標是創業,則年齡與家庭因素能不能夠支撐?
因為萬丈高樓平地起,創業什麼都要自己來。
跟先前的經歷有何關聯?有什麼動機要走向創業不歸路?
這間學校有哪些資源或特長,可以提供申請人這樣的生涯技能訓練?
剩下的要等有學校念以後再談。
人生不是MBA念完就會成功,反而是念完才是開始。
要走向何方?怎樣才能讓生涯發揮極大影響力?
又怎樣才能運用這樣的影響力來造福社群?
這些問題要在申請前就探討出來,才能提出一個完整的進修計畫,也才能具體地算出到底缺少哪些技能?
2008年3月3日 星期一
[Program Fitting]IU vs. Georgetown
Q:
Hello,I'd like to know what the thoughts are on Indiana vs. Georgetown in corporate finance. I assume IU would be stronger for the midwest (chicago) and Georgetown stronger for mid-atlantic/northeast. Other than name brand where Georgetown seems to win, is there any thoughts on why IU might be better? Specifically, since IU has a Finance track and Georgetown is General Management, would it be more beneficial to go to IU?Thanks
A:
It's a tough choice here. Both schools have pros and cons. Both finance are solid, Indiana Kelley has marginally longer in course list, while more than 40% of graduates from Georgetown McDonough work in finance industry, comparing to 35% from Kelley.
Georgetown McDonough is pretty good in finance, offering 22 course combined with accounting. And when you see Kelley, they're almost identical while only finance alone offers a bit longer 24 courses, the sophistication of both program are very similar.
While on the rest part of the program, Kelley is ranked about 5 places higher than McDonough. This can mean that Kelley has a more committed and competitve students body, while McDonough graduates are more spread out and work in different regions, and salary is higherthan Kelley.
Very close call depends on how specific will you dedicate your MBA into finance. Kelley should be more well-rounded in overall resources and other fields of business profession. But if you focus solely on finance, you might probably get more finance friends in McDonough. Location matters too. Kelley is much more in midwest, while McDonugh spreads out in NE and Mid-Atlantic.
[Career Explorer]應該申請排名多少的學校??? (Cont'd.)
Q: 應該申請排名多少的學校??? (Cont'd.)
70-80% is still pretty solid. It is no guaranteed that you will be admitted for sure especially you are talking about those top schools.
A:
yah, you're right
even a 70% is a great chance
unfortunately, this competitive gentleman just got ding from Kellogg and Columbia
[Career Explorer]應該申請排名多少的學校???
Q:
想請問傷心咖啡店上面的前輩們,在申請學校前你們是用什麼標準來選學校呢?應該要申請排名多少的學校呢? 我的條件: 新竹交流道附近大學工學院大四中 GPA四年下來3.4,大一太混,大二以後主科大多有4.0 GRE考了去年10月的,V 500 Q 800 AWA 4.0 TOEFL還沒去考,只考過TOEIC 然後就只有做專題,校內活動就只有當班上跟系上幹部而已 條件如此單薄的我究竟要申請top多少的學校呢?感覺申請top 20的肯定不會上,但是又不知道自己的底限在哪‧希望板上有經驗的前輩們能夠推薦我一些適合的學校
A:
are you talking about MBA?
several directions
work first for a least 4~5 years if you really want top 20
have the right exams
MBA requires GMAT not GRE
TOEFL is almost 10 times harder than TOEIC now
finally and the most importantly
for your advance studying and for your life-long career
what's your career vision and why mba
or why study anyway?
see what your competition may look like
an Indian applicant from Businessweek forum asked me the chance to get admission 2 weeks ago
tech background applying Stanford
GMAT 710, English native of sourse
master degree from one of the best college in India
10 years experience in consulting industry, senior consultant
Coke India intern
had work for GE Capital and Tata Steel, should be the 2nd largest company in India
full page of extracurricular
fluent in Russian
flying license, piloting as hobby
I replied probably only 70~80% since his career direction is still somewhat blur
see the analysis here http://mbacareerfitter.blogspot.com/2008/02/personal-brandingstanford-application.html
it's just too competitive if you see what happened on BW forum
just be more prepared.
[Program Fitting]Darden Vs. Duke - Which is better?
Q:
(Anyone who wants to get into Strategy consulting - which is better - Duke or Darden? I have admits from both and have a tough time deciding..... )
Thank you very much davidlee0222. For some reason the Darden class links you posted don't work, can you send them again? Thanks in advance.
A:
http://registrar.darden.virginia.edu/registrar-student/catalog/SearchCatalog.tap
put your desire years and all finance fields under MBA and submit
you'll get a long list
then compare one by one with Fuqua on each field
you'll see the subtle difference
but I agree that no big difference between Fuqua and Darden
graduates will get finance jobs because of either one, and will not be an excuse for no job from either one