http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=293959&star=1#2777410
Q:问个学校，纽约城市大学如何啊？CUNY
A:
纽约众大学中有三大系统:私立,州立,与市立私立有超强牛校如哥大NYU,也有排在州立与市立后面的学校而除了私立名校外综合来说州立又较市立学校好州立名校有四大: Buffalo,Albany, Stony Brook,及Binghamton 市立大学也一堆,但就属CUNY最有名CUNY若要讲MBA 是综合性基础管理课程选择不像州立学校那么多, 课程设计的深度也主要以入门概念式教学为主适合刚工作一两年的基础商学训练就自身内部课程比较财务稍比营销来的见长财务相关校友也多主要是地利优势在纽约市因此财务人士居多学费与课程价值而言不像前面学校那般高效能一门课四学分没修几门就毕业念的快出来也快GMAT大约600~650左右就能进去就读
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[Career Explorer]有必要换工作吗？
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=306578&star=1#2777270
Q:
06年毕业之后在一家不大的英国金融公司工作，工作环境轻松，薪水也不错。
最近拿到一个HSBC汇丰银行（北京）的OFFER。因为在积累工作经验，还没有申请过，不知道在HSBC工作会不会给将来申请美国的MBA增加一个砝码。
而且计划08年年底就申请，矛盾啊。。。年底就申请了，不知道现在还换工作到HSBC是不是在折腾。
真不知道有没有必要。
前辈们给我点意见吧。
A:
要小心这里出现倒果为因的现象
MBA不是一个追寻目标
而是一个训练过程
申请人要知道未来生涯目标是要去哪里
因为中间没有其他方式能比MBA更快速有效达到这项目标
因此需要MBA
并仔细解释为什么会必须经过某特定学校MBA的训练
公司名或是头衔本身并不会有什么加分或减分的效果
MBA申请也不是靠谁公司大头衔大就进的去
除了职务内容要看转职的目的为何
是因为目前工作内容只专精于某几块
有某些瓶颈无法突破
需要经过转到新的职位取得补强
而新的职务内容跟旧有的职务内容结合
可以让您往未来生涯方向更上层楼
而透过xx学校的MBA
可以将您这两项工作所累积的经验深度与广度作提炼
让您未来成为更有效的经理人
因此必须要找出工作细项的需求点与转折点
跟未来生涯方向的关系
以及与新职务的细项逻辑来做媒合
如果会产生对生涯方向有更大效益的发展
并让申请人对MBA能有更强吸收能力
这样转才有益处
Q:
06年毕业之后在一家不大的英国金融公司工作，工作环境轻松，薪水也不错。
最近拿到一个HSBC汇丰银行（北京）的OFFER。因为在积累工作经验，还没有申请过，不知道在HSBC工作会不会给将来申请美国的MBA增加一个砝码。
而且计划08年年底就申请，矛盾啊。。。年底就申请了，不知道现在还换工作到HSBC是不是在折腾。
真不知道有没有必要。
前辈们给我点意见吧。
A:
要小心这里出现倒果为因的现象
MBA不是一个追寻目标
而是一个训练过程
申请人要知道未来生涯目标是要去哪里
因为中间没有其他方式能比MBA更快速有效达到这项目标
因此需要MBA
并仔细解释为什么会必须经过某特定学校MBA的训练
公司名或是头衔本身并不会有什么加分或减分的效果
MBA申请也不是靠谁公司大头衔大就进的去
除了职务内容要看转职的目的为何
是因为目前工作内容只专精于某几块
有某些瓶颈无法突破
需要经过转到新的职位取得补强
而新的职务内容跟旧有的职务内容结合
可以让您往未来生涯方向更上层楼
而透过xx学校的MBA
可以将您这两项工作所累积的经验深度与广度作提炼
让您未来成为更有效的经理人
因此必须要找出工作细项的需求点与转折点
跟未来生涯方向的关系
以及与新职务的细项逻辑来做媒合
如果会产生对生涯方向有更大效益的发展
并让申请人对MBA能有更强吸收能力
这样转才有益处
[Program Fitting]Choices: what to do?
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=74410.1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools
Q:
I need some advice. I've been accepted to two schools. One is a low Tier 1 / high Tier 2 program that is fairly selective, and the other is a mid/low tier 2 program that is a bit less selective. I'm struggling to decide which one to pick because of several factors. If I based my decision on ranking alone, I would pick the Tier 1/Tier 2 school. But I am also taking into account the cost of attending, which is much higher for the higher ranked school, and the surrounding atmophere, for which the lower ranked school has the edge.Because the tier 1/2 school is expensive, I would have quite a bit of debt after graduating from there. The lower ranked school is much more affordable and I wouldn't have any debt after attending. Both schools have good programs, with the tier 1/2 school being a bit stronger. What do you think I should do? Go with the higher ranked school and take on the debt, or the lower ranked school in the better environment and graduate debt free?
A:
As an MBA program consultant and career manager, pretty much agree with Socovich that a good school brand can not only attract better faculty, resources, talented students, networking or recruiters, but also the commitment in the academic environment will be much higher and tougher that students and faculty are more dedicated to more competitive business expertise. Better guest speakers, better consulting clubs and entrepreneurial clubs with stronger funding, better program design...etc.
And Venture Capital, which is critical to entrepreneurs with very limited time, will also spend more time and $ on better opportunities created by more committed communities. 85K is a pretty average spending on MBA investment. Think about it, how good can it be if an MBA program only charges you 25K?? The faculty and facilities must be really low quality if you see the average salary of b-school professors.
It's not a big deal to have a 85K debt from a decent school, it'll only be your starting salary on the 1st yr if you have such a competitive training and good school name. Besides, almost a half of students are in the same boat, you'll see students with higher dept will naturally commit deeper in studying since they know they have to face the reality right after school. You'll earn it back fairly soon after a more competitive training and a good school title.
Although you have the entrepreneurial dream, normally it's fairly hard to start your own business right after your school. You might need a job to buffer your long-term plan, and start your business a couple of years later. Then your first job after school will be critical. You'll have a much better chance when you've been through a more competitive training, while the school name really matters when you're seeking a job.
Q:
I need some advice. I've been accepted to two schools. One is a low Tier 1 / high Tier 2 program that is fairly selective, and the other is a mid/low tier 2 program that is a bit less selective. I'm struggling to decide which one to pick because of several factors. If I based my decision on ranking alone, I would pick the Tier 1/Tier 2 school. But I am also taking into account the cost of attending, which is much higher for the higher ranked school, and the surrounding atmophere, for which the lower ranked school has the edge.Because the tier 1/2 school is expensive, I would have quite a bit of debt after graduating from there. The lower ranked school is much more affordable and I wouldn't have any debt after attending. Both schools have good programs, with the tier 1/2 school being a bit stronger. What do you think I should do? Go with the higher ranked school and take on the debt, or the lower ranked school in the better environment and graduate debt free?
A:
As an MBA program consultant and career manager, pretty much agree with Socovich that a good school brand can not only attract better faculty, resources, talented students, networking or recruiters, but also the commitment in the academic environment will be much higher and tougher that students and faculty are more dedicated to more competitive business expertise. Better guest speakers, better consulting clubs and entrepreneurial clubs with stronger funding, better program design...etc.
And Venture Capital, which is critical to entrepreneurs with very limited time, will also spend more time and $ on better opportunities created by more committed communities. 85K is a pretty average spending on MBA investment. Think about it, how good can it be if an MBA program only charges you 25K?? The faculty and facilities must be really low quality if you see the average salary of b-school professors.
It's not a big deal to have a 85K debt from a decent school, it'll only be your starting salary on the 1st yr if you have such a competitive training and good school name. Besides, almost a half of students are in the same boat, you'll see students with higher dept will naturally commit deeper in studying since they know they have to face the reality right after school. You'll earn it back fairly soon after a more competitive training and a good school title.
Although you have the entrepreneurial dream, normally it's fairly hard to start your own business right after your school. You might need a job to buffer your long-term plan, and start your business a couple of years later. Then your first job after school will be critical. You'll have a much better chance when you've been through a more competitive training, while the school name really matters when you're seeking a job.
[Program Fitting]BW ranking criteria
Just found this critical article on BW B-School Forum:
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=17&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=73380
THIS IS TOOOO IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!
--
Hi,
Louis Lavelle, the B-schools editor at BusinessWeek, asked me to post this message to you:
From Associate Editor Louis Lavelle, who overseas the b-school rankings at BusinessWeek:
Phear_me is under the impression that we used the difference between pre-mba salary and post-mba salary as part of our ranking methodology. We didn't. The data was presented in a table for information purposes only. The rankings themselves are based on only three measures--the student survey, an academic quality score (six equally-weighted measures: average GMAT score, average work experience, percentage of tenured faculty, average class size in core business classes, number of electives available to part-time mba students, and the program's completion rate) and a measure of post-MBA outcomes (% of students who say their program was "completely" responsible for them achieving their goals, whatever those goals may be).
Also, the argument that NYU should be ranked higher than it was because it gets students with high GMAT scores (which contribute only 5% of the final ranking) is ridiculous. You can always point to one thing about one school and say "see...that proves the rankings are ridiculous." But this isn't about one thing--it's about the whole Part-Time MBA experience--the quality of the students attending the program, the classroom experience, post-graduation outcomes...everything. And when it comes right down to it there were 24 other schools that did better than NYU using that yardstick. In fact, if I were constructing a ranking based on one metric, GMAT scores would NOT be it. They measure one thing and one thing only--how good students attending each program are at taking tests. If you want to know the true value of a program you don't look at the raw material going in, you look at the finished product going out.
Phear_me is entitled to his opinion, but if the conclusion that BW's rankings lack credibility is based on incorrect assumptions (the use of salaries in the methodology) and misguided analysis (high GMATs equals great school) he/she needs to rethink that conclusion.
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=17&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=73380
THIS IS TOOOO IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!
--
Hi,
Louis Lavelle, the B-schools editor at BusinessWeek, asked me to post this message to you:
From Associate Editor Louis Lavelle, who overseas the b-school rankings at BusinessWeek:
Phear_me is under the impression that we used the difference between pre-mba salary and post-mba salary as part of our ranking methodology. We didn't. The data was presented in a table for information purposes only. The rankings themselves are based on only three measures--the student survey, an academic quality score (six equally-weighted measures: average GMAT score, average work experience, percentage of tenured faculty, average class size in core business classes, number of electives available to part-time mba students, and the program's completion rate) and a measure of post-MBA outcomes (% of students who say their program was "completely" responsible for them achieving their goals, whatever those goals may be).
Also, the argument that NYU should be ranked higher than it was because it gets students with high GMAT scores (which contribute only 5% of the final ranking) is ridiculous. You can always point to one thing about one school and say "see...that proves the rankings are ridiculous." But this isn't about one thing--it's about the whole Part-Time MBA experience--the quality of the students attending the program, the classroom experience, post-graduation outcomes...everything. And when it comes right down to it there were 24 other schools that did better than NYU using that yardstick. In fact, if I were constructing a ranking based on one metric, GMAT scores would NOT be it. They measure one thing and one thing only--how good students attending each program are at taking tests. If you want to know the true value of a program you don't look at the raw material going in, you look at the finished product going out.
Phear_me is entitled to his opinion, but if the conclusion that BW's rankings lack credibility is based on incorrect assumptions (the use of salaries in the methodology) and misguided analysis (high GMATs equals great school) he/she needs to rethink that conclusion.
[Program Fitting]Thunderbird
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=74419
Q:
Hi there, could nybody explain me why Thunderbird employment stats are so low? It seems that less then 50% of graduated students can find a job... How's that??thanks a lot!
A:
TB grad here. 1st is that most of students go back to their home countries.
2nd and the most interesting reason is in this small campus, you meet friends from everywhere in the world, so there's a tradition that the first 3 months after graduation, lots of graduates go somewhere to visit their friends in Thailand, Czech Republic, China, Taiwan, Italy, Nigeria, Ukraine, France...etc.
3rd reason is the VISA issue that most of the U.S. companies don't sponsor H1B VISA to foreigner graduates, while this is the most diverse school in the U.S. that about a half are foreigners.
4th reason is even the other half of Americans, they're not typical Americans that they worked outside the U.S. before studying here, lots of them can even speak Mandarin! Lots of them're seeking jobs outside the U.S. after graduation, too. And of course after the travel tradition.
Q:
Hi there, could nybody explain me why Thunderbird employment stats are so low? It seems that less then 50% of graduated students can find a job... How's that??thanks a lot!
A:
TB grad here. 1st is that most of students go back to their home countries.
2nd and the most interesting reason is in this small campus, you meet friends from everywhere in the world, so there's a tradition that the first 3 months after graduation, lots of graduates go somewhere to visit their friends in Thailand, Czech Republic, China, Taiwan, Italy, Nigeria, Ukraine, France...etc.
3rd reason is the VISA issue that most of the U.S. companies don't sponsor H1B VISA to foreigner graduates, while this is the most diverse school in the U.S. that about a half are foreigners.
4th reason is even the other half of Americans, they're not typical Americans that they worked outside the U.S. before studying here, lots of them can even speak Mandarin! Lots of them're seeking jobs outside the U.S. after graduation, too. And of course after the travel tradition.
[Personal Branding]申請前20大MBA, GPA 2.9 問題一問!!
Q:
Dear all, 我這樣問其實不是很好 希望各位見諒!! 1.GPA 1.1 我大學是念物理系 (台南火車站旁), 就我所知物理系當得很凶 我畢業的時候班上有一半以上都不見了 而且留下的成績大概 多是60-80分(也是有很優秀的,我是比較混的那個)..基本上, GPA要上3.0以上我個人認為不容易...這樣申請B-school不是很吃虧？ GPA 2.9唉~~~ 1.2 我已經拿到理工碩士(也是台南火車站這間), 算一算GPA接近4 當然這沒什麼, 因為研究所本來分數就給的高!! 但是這會有加分效果？我查過網路, 衆說紛紜到底實際是？ 2.W/E 工作明年滿五年(R&D), 其中額外兼差sales約3年 這些都可以寫在resume裡嗎? 會不會有反效果？ 3.GMAT target 700 IBT target:100 準備時間1-2年 希望可以彌補GPA缺憾 4.沒推薦信OK嗎？ 還是要去應湊？ 謝謝各位不勝其擾的閱讀
A:
有研究所GAP遠高過大學GPA就夠了 以最後學歷為準 有研究所的大學就不會太看 反而是會因此出現大幅進步的傾向 如果被問到時倒是可以解釋一下有哪些課餘活動的價值大於大學課業
重點是美式MBA不是靠加分進去的 而是看申請人有多大潛能並有多強資歷映證
一切都要有GMAT之後再說 誰都是target 700 但target 只是target
在美國兼差是很常有的事 只要合法都行 可以寫上沒問題 只要能夠解釋為何需要兼差 又對生涯有何意義 或是有何對生命的體悟
沒推薦信直接ding 既然工作五年 一定會有推荐信 有主管或客戶都行
但要想上top 20名校 推薦信必須要相當紮實 要對申請人的生涯方向清晰構連 講出申請人有何特殊優勢或成功特質 可以進入名校就讀後成就大業
Dear all, 我這樣問其實不是很好 希望各位見諒!! 1.GPA 1.1 我大學是念物理系 (台南火車站旁), 就我所知物理系當得很凶 我畢業的時候班上有一半以上都不見了 而且留下的成績大概 多是60-80分(也是有很優秀的,我是比較混的那個)..基本上, GPA要上3.0以上我個人認為不容易...這樣申請B-school不是很吃虧？ GPA 2.9唉~~~ 1.2 我已經拿到理工碩士(也是台南火車站這間), 算一算GPA接近4 當然這沒什麼, 因為研究所本來分數就給的高!! 但是這會有加分效果？我查過網路, 衆說紛紜到底實際是？ 2.W/E 工作明年滿五年(R&D), 其中額外兼差sales約3年 這些都可以寫在resume裡嗎? 會不會有反效果？ 3.GMAT target 700 IBT target:100 準備時間1-2年 希望可以彌補GPA缺憾 4.沒推薦信OK嗎？ 還是要去應湊？ 謝謝各位不勝其擾的閱讀
A:
有研究所GAP遠高過大學GPA就夠了 以最後學歷為準 有研究所的大學就不會太看 反而是會因此出現大幅進步的傾向 如果被問到時倒是可以解釋一下有哪些課餘活動的價值大於大學課業
重點是美式MBA不是靠加分進去的 而是看申請人有多大潛能並有多強資歷映證
一切都要有GMAT之後再說 誰都是target 700 但target 只是target
在美國兼差是很常有的事 只要合法都行 可以寫上沒問題 只要能夠解釋為何需要兼差 又對生涯有何意義 或是有何對生命的體悟
沒推薦信直接ding 既然工作五年 一定會有推荐信 有主管或客戶都行
但要想上top 20名校 推薦信必須要相當紮實 要對申請人的生涯方向清晰構連 講出申請人有何特殊優勢或成功特質 可以進入名校就讀後成就大業
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