http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&replyid=2516504&id=90822&page=1&skin=0&Star=1
Q:
选出你心目中最喜欢的学校:
看看大家心中最梦想去的学校是哪些。请注意,是选择你最偏好的三所学校,不一定是你所认为的实力最强的学校。
没想到这个帖子这么久了还有人回应。多谢大家了。希望这个结果能给大家选校一点点参考。
A:
In the U.S.
it's all about fit for your career
not about which one is the most popular
Every school here has its own strengths and specific differentiation
You can see in their mission statements from Deans
and take a deep look into their program designs
If you summarize the curriculum each school into one sentence
my personal interpretation is probably like this:
HBS is corporate restructuring and entrepreneurship
is well-balanced general management
Stanford is entrepreneurial general management
Kellogg is stratigic marketing management
Chicago is economic management
MIT is executional management science
Columbia is entrepreneurship and finance management
Ross is strategic management practices
Duke is fundamental general management with medical strength
Berkeley is environmental general management with tech
VirginiaDarden is quantitative general management
Dartmouth Tuck is strategic management with finance strength
NYU Stern is practical finance management
UCLA is entrepreneurial general management with tech and entertainment strengths
Cornell Johnson is analytical social management
Yale SOM is organizational management for managers
Austin McCombs is general management with accounting strength
USC Marshall is general management
LBS is strategic management
Insead is economic strategy management
IMD is leadership menegement
Queens is analytical strategic management
It's hard to vote the favorate 3
while finding the fit is the ultimate goal
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2008年2月27日 星期三
[Career Explorer][讨论]如果是采购的话,有没有比较好的MBA项目(2)
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=307878&star=1#307878
Q:
[讨论]如果是采购的话,有没有比较好的MBA项目
采购历来不是一个热门的职业
在很多公司里地位也不重要
但是我有心在这个行业里发展
不知道有没有采购背景申请MBA成功的范例呢? 有没有哪位了解,有哪些MBA项目可以选择~~
谢谢
A:
Also, different schools may have different catagories for procurement
some schools catogorize it in "logistics,"
some put it in "operation" if they don't have supply chain or logistics major.
some even put it in "Sales and Negotiation" and overlap with operation.
generally speaking, prioritize your searching for specialization by:
1. Logistics, (it's a more advanced classification within supply chain)
2. Supply Chain,
3. Operation Management
4. Sales & Negotiation
You can find these under "Curriculum" and then "Specialization" in every school
Q:
[讨论]如果是采购的话,有没有比较好的MBA项目
采购历来不是一个热门的职业
在很多公司里地位也不重要
但是我有心在这个行业里发展
不知道有没有采购背景申请MBA成功的范例呢? 有没有哪位了解,有哪些MBA项目可以选择~~
谢谢
A:
Also, different schools may have different catagories for procurement
some schools catogorize it in "logistics,"
some put it in "operation" if they don't have supply chain or logistics major.
some even put it in "Sales and Negotiation" and overlap with operation.
generally speaking, prioritize your searching for specialization by:
1. Logistics, (it's a more advanced classification within supply chain)
2. Supply Chain,
3. Operation Management
4. Sales & Negotiation
You can find these under "Curriculum" and then "Specialization" in every school
[Career Explorer]如果是采购的话,有没有比较好的MBA项目
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=307878&star=1#2792802
Q:
[讨论]如果是采购的话,有没有比较好的MBA项目
采购历来不是一个热门的职业
在很多公司里地位也不重要
但是我有心在这个行业里发展
不知道有没有采购背景申请MBA成功的范例呢? 有没有哪位了解,有哪些MBA项目可以选择~~
谢谢
A:
Generally procurement has lots to do with supply chain, operation, channel management, logistics, and negotiation.
Also a minor accounting and finance.
you need to know the overall framework of operation and supply chain,
lots of power and negotiation, as well as the concepts of economy of scale and finance, i.e. the time value of capital.
Sales and inventory management are related issues that you may need to co-manage with operation manager.
Teamwork skills and communication skills are constantly facilitated
Also the leadership to drive success in the net of cost structure.
Procurement is a common background for MBA applicants. Maybe fewer than other major backgrounds like planing and business development or consulting, but still common.
Q:
[讨论]如果是采购的话,有没有比较好的MBA项目
采购历来不是一个热门的职业
在很多公司里地位也不重要
但是我有心在这个行业里发展
不知道有没有采购背景申请MBA成功的范例呢? 有没有哪位了解,有哪些MBA项目可以选择~~
谢谢
A:
Generally procurement has lots to do with supply chain, operation, channel management, logistics, and negotiation.
Also a minor accounting and finance.
you need to know the overall framework of operation and supply chain,
lots of power and negotiation, as well as the concepts of economy of scale and finance, i.e. the time value of capital.
Sales and inventory management are related issues that you may need to co-manage with operation manager.
Teamwork skills and communication skills are constantly facilitated
Also the leadership to drive success in the net of cost structure.
Procurement is a common background for MBA applicants. Maybe fewer than other major backgrounds like planing and business development or consulting, but still common.
[Career Explorer]请大家帮我分析一下我的背景
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&replyid=2791745&id=306325&page=1&skin=0&Star=1
Q:
[求助]请大家帮我分析一下我的背景
我的背景如下,请大家帮我分析一下,是否有机会进入北美TOP20且以金融为方向的MBA项目。谢谢 (我打算申请09年开始的项目)
GMAT:720 / 4.5 (有点重考的打算,正在犹豫)
TOEFL:111
06年毕业于北京大学,主修西班牙语语言文学,第二学位经济学。前者GPA约3.7,后者3.0
工作经历:至今约两年,在一家西班牙投资咨询公司的上海代表处(小公司,和当地的地区政府有合作关系)。其间在西班牙工作3个月。我的职务是consultant,一般是做一些研究报告、市场调查,以及找寻经销商、供应商,还有参与展会。MBA的项目对我来说能提供一个从西语商务社会局限中跳出来的机会。
自我分析:我觉得软肋在于我的工作经历,比较短且、没有做过大项目、且有文化局限性,这使我在Essay中可采用的比较strong的素材有限。今年的申请期再过几个月就开始了,有点彷徨。请大家帮我做个分析,也欢迎一切建议。
A:
no necessity to retake GMAT
your experience is brilliant but way too young for top 20
there're several turning points need to be clarified in your career
why you took Spanish as your major instead of Economy
and what's the correlation among your major, minor, consulting experience, and your future career in finance?
why now? you made an assumption that other dimensions of life are subject to your mba study.
but the truth is not. Here I assume you're talking about your balance in family life.
You can see the typical student profile of any mba schools. A big portion of them build family at the same time or even earlier. Almost a half of mba students in Ross Business School bring their children.
You have quite unusual foreign experience that can make you stand out from the pack. It's not about how big your achievement is, but how deep the quality is and its meaning to your life.
The last one is the passion. Why finance? Is there anything in your personality or interests lead you to finance? Are you sensitive to money? Are you also good at numbers? Do you invest by yourself? make any profit? How do you manage your own money anyway?
There must be some triggers in your life to give you directions. Find them and leverage them well. It's not about getting into what mba, it's about your rest-of-life career.
As long as you can find out these answers, the fit schools will emerge by themselves.
then you can market yourself accordingly.
Q:
[求助]请大家帮我分析一下我的背景
我的背景如下,请大家帮我分析一下,是否有机会进入北美TOP20且以金融为方向的MBA项目。谢谢 (我打算申请09年开始的项目)
GMAT:720 / 4.5 (有点重考的打算,正在犹豫)
TOEFL:111
06年毕业于北京大学,主修西班牙语语言文学,第二学位经济学。前者GPA约3.7,后者3.0
工作经历:至今约两年,在一家西班牙投资咨询公司的上海代表处(小公司,和当地的地区政府有合作关系)。其间在西班牙工作3个月。我的职务是consultant,一般是做一些研究报告、市场调查,以及找寻经销商、供应商,还有参与展会。MBA的项目对我来说能提供一个从西语商务社会局限中跳出来的机会。
自我分析:我觉得软肋在于我的工作经历,比较短且、没有做过大项目、且有文化局限性,这使我在Essay中可采用的比较strong的素材有限。今年的申请期再过几个月就开始了,有点彷徨。请大家帮我做个分析,也欢迎一切建议。
A:
no necessity to retake GMAT
your experience is brilliant but way too young for top 20
there're several turning points need to be clarified in your career
why you took Spanish as your major instead of Economy
and what's the correlation among your major, minor, consulting experience, and your future career in finance?
why now? you made an assumption that other dimensions of life are subject to your mba study.
but the truth is not. Here I assume you're talking about your balance in family life.
You can see the typical student profile of any mba schools. A big portion of them build family at the same time or even earlier. Almost a half of mba students in Ross Business School bring their children.
You have quite unusual foreign experience that can make you stand out from the pack. It's not about how big your achievement is, but how deep the quality is and its meaning to your life.
The last one is the passion. Why finance? Is there anything in your personality or interests lead you to finance? Are you sensitive to money? Are you also good at numbers? Do you invest by yourself? make any profit? How do you manage your own money anyway?
There must be some triggers in your life to give you directions. Find them and leverage them well. It's not about getting into what mba, it's about your rest-of-life career.
As long as you can find out these answers, the fit schools will emerge by themselves.
then you can market yourself accordingly.
[Career Explorer]问一个有做sales和marketing的管培出去MBA的么
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=308206&star=1#2792777
Q:
问一个有做sales和marketing的管培出去MBA的么
我刚做一个top的快消管培,问下。。。。师兄师姐站出来啊!!
A:
Sales and Marketing are almost the best start for real-world business
and hence are two of the most favorite fields for MBA track
since you'll have the training about the market insights
and also really immerse yourself into the customer interaction
You'll deeply understand the market reality and power negotiation
also you'll know how important CRM and brand management are
Everything in business builts on income cash flow
only when you experience the real-world sales and marketing processes
will you know the origin of the whole industrial value chain
and understand how to correlate all these elements to optimize the profit.
You can see the student body of almost every mba program
it's common to see around 20% are sales and marketing related background
Q:
问一个有做sales和marketing的管培出去MBA的么
我刚做一个top的快消管培,问下。。。。师兄师姐站出来啊!!
A:
Sales and Marketing are almost the best start for real-world business
and hence are two of the most favorite fields for MBA track
since you'll have the training about the market insights
and also really immerse yourself into the customer interaction
You'll deeply understand the market reality and power negotiation
also you'll know how important CRM and brand management are
Everything in business builts on income cash flow
only when you experience the real-world sales and marketing processes
will you know the origin of the whole industrial value chain
and understand how to correlate all these elements to optimize the profit.
You can see the student body of almost every mba program
it's common to see around 20% are sales and marketing related background
2008年2月26日 星期二
[Career Explorer]多大岁数的MBA应该放弃投行、咨询梦?
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=163320&star=3#2791019
Q:
多大岁数的MBA应该放弃投行、咨询梦?
虽然说一切皆有可能,环顾四周我们甚至也能看到不少岁数不小却进了投行、咨询的个案,但是亲爱的朋友,我们的抉择还是要建立在行业潜规则和统计概率的基础上的。
因为没做过投行、也没做过咨询,所以想征询一下达人,MBA毕业多大岁数时应该挥眉耐耍?0岁?32?35?
3x
A:
See what happened in consulting industry this year
only 20+ fresh MBA got in BCG in Greater China
see how many consulting firms out there
and see how many people are applying mba every year
simply see how many members on this website
devide by the years it runs
the posibility is about 10 consultants out of 10,000 applicants
it's not about the age
it's about how competitive you are
and if you want to be a consultant
first thing is to be able to analyze yourself
analyze your own career
if you cannot handle your very own career
how can you analyze anything else?
Q:
多大岁数的MBA应该放弃投行、咨询梦?
虽然说一切皆有可能,环顾四周我们甚至也能看到不少岁数不小却进了投行、咨询的个案,但是亲爱的朋友,我们的抉择还是要建立在行业潜规则和统计概率的基础上的。
因为没做过投行、也没做过咨询,所以想征询一下达人,MBA毕业多大岁数时应该挥眉耐耍?0岁?32?35?
3x
A:
See what happened in consulting industry this year
only 20+ fresh MBA got in BCG in Greater China
see how many consulting firms out there
and see how many people are applying mba every year
simply see how many members on this website
devide by the years it runs
the posibility is about 10 consultants out of 10,000 applicants
it's not about the age
it's about how competitive you are
and if you want to be a consultant
first thing is to be able to analyze yourself
analyze your own career
if you cannot handle your very own career
how can you analyze anything else?
[Career Explorer]What did I do Wrong!?
http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=11&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools&tid=74497
Q:
With the application increase this year, I am really losing hope on my chance to get in an MBA class of 2010. I know that my mainweakness is my GMAT i score high in quant and extremely low in verbal total to 650 and even worse I am an international student. But I thought i had good background 3.54 UG/currently 3.5yrs work exp in Brokerage firm in the US/ co manage a small manufacturer in Thailand/ and a couple volunteer experience that are actually meaningful to me as a person. Also I have a clear goal of where i want to be post MBA and my ultimate goal is to better lives of people in South East Asia thru my consulting firm and I thought they would look over my flaw for my unique background. BUT AGAIN....I got dinged from CHicago and Wharton ALREADY and now I wonder how will i make it at YALE, CORNELL, DARDEN, MIT, and DUKE???? I'm thinking of studying for gmat and get my score up to 730+ , but seriously guys, what are my chances of the rest of the schools I apply to? and Plus I cant reapply unless i know what i did wrong beside the GMAT part? This is costing me some serious money and heartache already hmmm Pls Advice!
A:
You did nothing wrong, but frankly not in the main battle field. Even you get a 730 in GMAT, you're still not in the core competition since your work experience is still too weak compare to the almost-6-yr-in-average pool. Even a 9-yr may get a ding. GMAT is essential but not critical, instead it's your career path, the overall quality of essays for fit programs, and the deep touch of your life. Those extracurriculars are not like a check list but how you interpret the love of your life.
You have several key fields regarding your overall application package need to be improved, despite your GMAT score and work experience. First is your career objectives and the "fit" of an MBA program. The schools you applied are dramatically different in either their positionings or strengths. They reflect your career objectives and goals must be quite blur that the fit schools didn't emerge by themselves. This issue alone can fail you in any application.
Second is your myth. MBA is not a goal, it's a training process. The best schools have the most resources and highest quality faculty, but it doesn't mean you know how to use it. Harvard is a great title to make you a bigger chance to have interviews, but recruiters hire people because of you, not the school name.
Third is your competitiveness. If only 2 dings from those heaven schools can frustrate you like this, you might feel very lucky to be dinged. In those schools, every second is war. If you've been to Harvard, you'll feel the extreme tension starts from the sub station. You can sense a very uncomfortable atmosphere that about 3 people out of 10 don't dare to look at you in the eyes, even you're only a tourist. It's very clear that many of them their confidences are completely crashed by other extremely competent classmates. It's pretty easy to meet someone with full score GMAT or TOEFL on campus, or both, and others have Ph.D already or Olympic titles. Just walk through the cafe shop you'll see the case page they study is all in black that hundreds lines of notes. How can they get a 650 GMAT? It has to be 800!! If you're not from another planet also, don't even try to ruin your life. There're good reasons that recruiters like big titles, but also better reasons to hate them.
The last one is your attitude. Career competence is intrinsic that lies in your personality and your capabilities, not extrinsic from a school name or from a score. You perform extracurriculars for those needed people, not for a school admission. People success by themselves, not given by others. Schools have different positionings and it depends on which one is your true fit, also how smart you leverage it. People not from top schools don't need to die, instead they have better agility and flexibility that no need to compete with imposible rivals and have more time to focus on their own paths.
Q:
With the application increase this year, I am really losing hope on my chance to get in an MBA class of 2010. I know that my mainweakness is my GMAT i score high in quant and extremely low in verbal total to 650 and even worse I am an international student. But I thought i had good background 3.54 UG/currently 3.5yrs work exp in Brokerage firm in the US/ co manage a small manufacturer in Thailand/ and a couple volunteer experience that are actually meaningful to me as a person. Also I have a clear goal of where i want to be post MBA and my ultimate goal is to better lives of people in South East Asia thru my consulting firm and I thought they would look over my flaw for my unique background. BUT AGAIN....I got dinged from CHicago and Wharton ALREADY and now I wonder how will i make it at YALE, CORNELL, DARDEN, MIT, and DUKE???? I'm thinking of studying for gmat and get my score up to 730+ , but seriously guys, what are my chances of the rest of the schools I apply to? and Plus I cant reapply unless i know what i did wrong beside the GMAT part? This is costing me some serious money and heartache already hmmm Pls Advice!
A:
You did nothing wrong, but frankly not in the main battle field. Even you get a 730 in GMAT, you're still not in the core competition since your work experience is still too weak compare to the almost-6-yr-in-average pool. Even a 9-yr may get a ding. GMAT is essential but not critical, instead it's your career path, the overall quality of essays for fit programs, and the deep touch of your life. Those extracurriculars are not like a check list but how you interpret the love of your life.
You have several key fields regarding your overall application package need to be improved, despite your GMAT score and work experience. First is your career objectives and the "fit" of an MBA program. The schools you applied are dramatically different in either their positionings or strengths. They reflect your career objectives and goals must be quite blur that the fit schools didn't emerge by themselves. This issue alone can fail you in any application.
Second is your myth. MBA is not a goal, it's a training process. The best schools have the most resources and highest quality faculty, but it doesn't mean you know how to use it. Harvard is a great title to make you a bigger chance to have interviews, but recruiters hire people because of you, not the school name.
Third is your competitiveness. If only 2 dings from those heaven schools can frustrate you like this, you might feel very lucky to be dinged. In those schools, every second is war. If you've been to Harvard, you'll feel the extreme tension starts from the sub station. You can sense a very uncomfortable atmosphere that about 3 people out of 10 don't dare to look at you in the eyes, even you're only a tourist. It's very clear that many of them their confidences are completely crashed by other extremely competent classmates. It's pretty easy to meet someone with full score GMAT or TOEFL on campus, or both, and others have Ph.D already or Olympic titles. Just walk through the cafe shop you'll see the case page they study is all in black that hundreds lines of notes. How can they get a 650 GMAT? It has to be 800!! If you're not from another planet also, don't even try to ruin your life. There're good reasons that recruiters like big titles, but also better reasons to hate them.
The last one is your attitude. Career competence is intrinsic that lies in your personality and your capabilities, not extrinsic from a school name or from a score. You perform extracurriculars for those needed people, not for a school admission. People success by themselves, not given by others. Schools have different positionings and it depends on which one is your true fit, also how smart you leverage it. People not from top schools don't need to die, instead they have better agility and flexibility that no need to compete with imposible rivals and have more time to focus on their own paths.
2008年2月25日 星期一
[Testimonial]感謝David Lee 李大衛 生涯諮商有機會interview with Google
這時候是MBA一年級尋找Intern的季節,雖然每個學校都有career center,不過跟david Lee談過之後,再修改履歷或許會有比較清楚的方向。David會從交談中幫你分析人格特質,並從你工作經驗或者社團經驗去挖掘自己以往沒發覺有興趣但符合市場需求的職位當作未來生涯努力方向。例如原本我的履歷上是尋找Market Analyst Intern但是與David談過之後,依據個人經驗與興趣以先切入Product Management為比較可行方向。而有了這個方向之後,再修改履歷才有辦法將尋找Product Management與相關工作經驗呈現在履歷上面。或許也是這樣才有機會與Google interview,雖然結論未知。目前在尋找Intern的各位,若在履歷上有困擾,不妨可以與David Lee聯絡!
Hello Ming , Thank you for taking the time to talk with one of our Google engineers! I have your phone interview scheduled based on the availability you gave to Marisa . Please plan for Bala to phone you at 602-516-XXXX. Your interview will last up to 45 minutes. Feel free to contact me via phone or email if you have questions, concerns or need this to be rescheduled! Please confirm receipt of this e-mail at your soonest convenience! -- Kirsty Henry Recruiting Coordinator Engineering Operations (Platforms) kirXXXX@google.com p: 650.214.XXXX f. 602-532-XXXX For more information on the Google recruiting and hiring process, take a look at www.youtube.com/google
Hello Ming , Thank you for taking the time to talk with one of our Google engineers! I have your phone interview scheduled based on the availability you gave to Marisa . Please plan for Bala to phone you at 602-516-XXXX. Your interview will last up to 45 minutes. Feel free to contact me via phone or email if you have questions, concerns or need this to be rescheduled! Please confirm receipt of this e-mail at your soonest convenience! -- Kirsty Henry Recruiting Coordinator Engineering Operations (Platforms) kirXXXX@google.com p: 650.214.XXXX f. 602-532-XXXX For more information on the Google recruiting and hiring process, take a look at www.youtube.com/google
[Program Fitting]MBA到底怎麼選校?(地區/學費/課程導向)..有介紹Top50商學院的書籍或網站嗎?
http://www.chemy.idv.tw/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=197355#197355
Q:
最近實在是有點confused 美國這麼多商學院.到底各位是怎麼選校的~ 即使我把目標鎖定在Top 50 還是不知道該從何了解他們各自的 校風/強項領域/教學特色/招生習性/提供給國際學生宿舍的比例等細項 我看網路上大多推薦US NEWS 出版的頂尖研究所書籍.. 但是想請問有看過的人分享.裡面大概是介紹些什麼ㄋ?會有我想知道的那些資訊嗎? (因為他是各科系都有..不知道對欲申請MBA的人受用程度如何) 拜託各位好心前輩順便分享一下你們選校重點/順序 的經驗好唄^^ 除了個別上學校的網站去探尋.有沒有其他書籍或是網站 會做個比較detail的介紹和比較ㄋ 小妹在此獻上無盡的感謝 x 100
A:
simply put have your GMAT and TOEFL scores ready first
then you'll have a pretty focused range for less than 20 schools by cross-comparing 3 major ranking systems
BW, FT, and US News
then assess your career passion and capabilities in detail
and compare your specific needs with different currirula
the "fit" schools will emerge by themselves
if you're really focus enough
it should be less than 6 schools for your laser-focused career options
since every school has dramatic different positioning and unique strengths
after all these career requirements then it's time to select schools by regions, tuitions, weather...etc.
and when you're choosing schools
schools are also choosing you
it all lies in the best mutual fit to maximize your career value and the equity of the school
Q:
最近實在是有點confused 美國這麼多商學院.到底各位是怎麼選校的~ 即使我把目標鎖定在Top 50 還是不知道該從何了解他們各自的 校風/強項領域/教學特色/招生習性/提供給國際學生宿舍的比例等細項 我看網路上大多推薦US NEWS 出版的頂尖研究所書籍.. 但是想請問有看過的人分享.裡面大概是介紹些什麼ㄋ?會有我想知道的那些資訊嗎? (因為他是各科系都有..不知道對欲申請MBA的人受用程度如何) 拜託各位好心前輩順便分享一下你們選校重點/順序 的經驗好唄^^ 除了個別上學校的網站去探尋.有沒有其他書籍或是網站 會做個比較detail的介紹和比較ㄋ 小妹在此獻上無盡的感謝 x 100
A:
simply put have your GMAT and TOEFL scores ready first
then you'll have a pretty focused range for less than 20 schools by cross-comparing 3 major ranking systems
BW, FT, and US News
then assess your career passion and capabilities in detail
and compare your specific needs with different currirula
the "fit" schools will emerge by themselves
if you're really focus enough
it should be less than 6 schools for your laser-focused career options
since every school has dramatic different positioning and unique strengths
after all these career requirements then it's time to select schools by regions, tuitions, weather...etc.
and when you're choosing schools
schools are also choosing you
it all lies in the best mutual fit to maximize your career value and the equity of the school
2008年2月23日 星期六
[Program Fitting]MBA 選校問題 Minnesota vs Colorado
Q:
諸位先進, 目前小弟申請的MBA結果都已經出來了,兩勝兩敗一和(WL) 這兩勝讓小弟陷入了難以抉擇的窘境 先介紹一下小弟的資歷資歷好了, 國立大學電機系畢業後因為不用當兵, 在IC設計公司累積了大約三年半當工程師(FAE)的經驗
小弟不是研發部門,工作的內容主要是幫客戶解決設計上問題, 所以也常常要跑客戶端,歸在行銷及業務部門 (PS.IC設計公司行銷及業務部門包含 1.技術支援 2.業務 3.行銷工程師)
在還沒知道第二勝之前,第一勝是一個USNEWS大約50多名的學校 那個時候覺得大概剩下的都沒希望了,所以也想好了之後的發展 1.暑假找有關半導體方面的Intern(包含台灣) 2.畢了業回台灣快樂的就業,作業務工程師或行銷工程師 我想這方向大致上沒啥問題,如果我想要轉換到其他領域的IC設計公司或許有點小難度(ex.手機相關=>電腦相關),不過在怎麼差小弟在本來自己的領域也認識很多人,找個年薪100來萬的工作應該不成問題
想不到就在不久前另一個USNEWS上約20多名的學校也通知小弟錄取了, 先不論一般人說的USNEWS idiot ranking,確實兩間學校在curriculum及對學生未來的積極度有很大的不同,這間學校在寄來的文件中已經開始Push學生要開始對自己畢業後的出路作規劃,跟第一間學校比起來差別不小,問題出在這是一間中西部的學校,我自己看畢業生的發展大部分也是在中西部上班,(可以看的出來是一間Regional的學校),假設這兩間學校的學費差不了多少也就算了,偏偏算起來,會差將近台幣80萬以上,這間應該會破300,第一間應該250以內就解決了
小弟目前看起來,要在這間中西部的學校找到小弟喜歡的工作機會應該不大(IC設計相關行業),假設回台灣的話,這兩間在小弟的產業大概也差別不大(聽說金融業有50門檻,但是就我的觀察,IC設計感覺不出來,除非是Harvard之類的..),所以真的頭很大不曉得自己的未來該往哪邊走,我相信這是一個很關鍵的選擇,有沒有前輩能給小弟指點迷津的,或是點破小弟看哪邊有想法的錯誤. 先謝!
回應板主: Minnesota vs Colorado 再補充一點,或許有人或覺得很奇怪,如果要走IC為什麼不去加州,當初Minnesota很吸引我的一點就是,它的exchange program有到慶應大學三個月(One semester),小弟的日文大概有二級的水準,希望藉這個機會更加磨練自己的日文.
A:
absolutely Carlson
there're something $ can't buy
and something you can never earn it back
In the States, IT is one of common industries that doesn't require spcific core school list like IB or MC
but it does select dedicated and well-trained graduates from higher tier schools like Carlson
IT career is about marketing and general management
both fields Carlson's curriculum is more than twice completed and dedicated than Colorado Colorado's marketing is frankly quite weak that only have 5 courses to choose
most of the critical parts like Consumer Behavior, Market Research, CRM, Pricing, Channel Management, Brand Management are missing.
Instead, Carlson offers all these and really completed and sophisticated
In terms of management, Carlson is very strong in general management that the curriculum is well-balanced like a small Wharton
but you can see Colorado only has entry-level fundamentals, not much committed.
You learn what you pay for.
US$90k is a pretty average spending for a competitive MBA program in the U.S.
the US$20k difference is a very small amount that you can probably earn it back in half year after graduation
and you have much better chance to earn it back after a top 20 school
it'll be much harder if you're from a #50 school
the ranking is from 3 major criteria student satisfaction, academic excellence, and post MBA outcomes
there are good reasons for the ranks they deserved
the average salary in Carlson is US$10k higher than Colorado in almost every function
while Colorado is a pretty local school that 90% work in the same region
Carlson is gerenally nationally competitive with a very decent reputation and solid training
it's not about exchange program in anywhere else
you can't learn any language in 3 months
since most of us cannot master English after decedes of study
it's about the intensity and excellency of the program
and that's the bargaining power to gain an alignment with top school like Keio University
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